On 24 Dec 2018 at 11:44, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> oeThen at night, you may be charging on on "fossil" power; but it's just
> getting back the power you "loaned" the grid by day.
>
> ITMm not so sure about this. We do store some PV for use later, but where we
> canTMt, that resource just g
“Then at night, you may be charging on on "fossil" power; but it's just getting
back the power you "loaned" the grid by day.”
I’m not so sure about this. We do store some PV for use later, but where we
can’t, that resource just gets curtailed (or we pay Arizona to take it).
- Mark
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From: Mark Abramowitz via EV
>See the subject of the thread for the bottom line answer, though things are
>never as simple as a one-liner.
That's for sure! It's not a simple problem; so there are no simple answers. If
anyone who has a simple answer, it's probably wrong. :-)
>For someone who wa
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Sent: 23-Dec-18 6:49:49 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner”
(GHG emissions) than the grid
See the subject of the thread for the bottom line answer, though things are
never as simple as a one-liner. But I gave you
be most
> helpful.
> Peri
>
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> Sent: 23-Dec-18 3:34:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation
sheet, that would be most helpful.
Peri
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Sent: 23-Dec-18 3:34:36 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner”
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electrical grid in moving
>>> away.
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I, too, question the meaning of &q
infrastructure. Unlike EVs, you can't charge at
>>> home. So we would need to build out a filling station network equally
>>> robust as the petrol system we have today. I suppose you could say that
>>> it's partly built since the physical stations exist. But I expect the
Peri
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List"
Sent: 23-Dec-18 11:55:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner”
(GHG emissions) than the grid
To be clear, my inte
Since a lot of businesses and the government are on board with this, perhaps
there's something completely wrong with my assumptions. Please correct me.
Peri
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I’ve not read it, and am not familiar with it, but can tell you that the
industry has changed quite a bit.
Remember how the BEV industry was just 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and 30 years
and more ago.
Back then, while pushing for years for a ZEV mandate, I heard many of the same
arguments used
of businesses and the government are on board with this, perhaps
> there's something completely wrong with my assumptions. Please correct me.
>
> Peri
>
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> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV"
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "
One of our long term list members, Darryl McMahon, who I think still
contributes here occasionally, wrote a book on hydrogen several years
ago. It is available on Amazon as well as from his own site. Covers
things being discussed here.
http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/index.htm
https://www.amaz
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Cc: "Mark Abramowitz"
Sent: 20-Dec-18 5:49:16 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner”
(GHG emissions) than the grid
Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally”
- Mark
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On Dec 20, 2
Well, the charter is the charter, and it makes sense.
That being said, I prefer to do my talking about fuel cells in other forums.
And except for this post that I knew would be of interest to many here, I never
start any threads about fuel cells. And here, am trying to make sure that
thread st
On 21 Dec 2018 at 4:58, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter)
Correct. However, if you read this page
http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv
You will find this statement:
"Many years ago, EVDL members decided that fuel cell vehicles and hyd
For those with a strong aversion to relying on fossil fuels, the use of
non-petroleum gas is certainly more virtuous than using regular Nat gas.
For those concerned about greenhouse gases emissions, use of non-fossil natural
gas can result in a net *decrease* of GHG emissions.(if you have questi
Willie,
Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in there
just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but perhaps
it isn’t OT.
Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question I’m
not sure how I would ever answer a
Discussion List
*Subject:* Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner”
(GHG emissions) than the grid
Hey, it’s more than that in the statement, if you read carefully.
But you obviously have an FUD agenda, so the statement wasn’t really meant
for you. I won’t respond to you again
On 12/21/18 6:58 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
Willie,
Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in there
just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but perhaps
it isn’t OT.
Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a qu
On 12/20/18 7:49 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally”
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades,
and
But just setting a goal to produce "carbon free hydrogen" is still just
snake oil, hog wash that can never compete with EVs.
bob
:
> > On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz
> wrote:
> >
> > Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of
> decades, and of hydrogen fue
Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally”
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
>
> Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades,
> and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric
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