Re: [EVDL] Level 3 Charging for conversions?

2015-07-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Like I said they may not have it for sale yet but here is the video and DIY link of them getting it to work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf7VqDXlUsA http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/diy-chademo-149122.html From: John Lussmyer via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion L

Re: [EVDL] video:Tesla motor hacked!

2015-07-11 Thread Paul Dove via EV
The hack team at evtv did it first. Only they spun it with CAN commands I believe. http://evtv.me/2015/06/all-your-drive-unit-are-belong-to-us/ What is more impressive to me is that this guy did it with a volt inverter I believe Sent from my iPad > On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Paul Wujek via

Re: [EVDL] more on ebike batteries in golf carts

2015-07-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Just make sure you size the wire correctly because the current from the larger cell will be more. You might also consider the current rating of the cell and make sure you don't exceed it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Willie2 via EV wrote: > > I'm using two parallel 20ah

Re: [EVDL] 48V Energy Meter (Lead-Acid)...

2015-07-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/zener-diodes/ Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, damon henry via EV wrote: > > Hi Cor, > I have been around and using E-meters for many years now and this is the > first time I have ever heard of using a zener diode

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

2015-08-04 Thread paul dove via EV
Hello Cor van de Water, My name is Paul Dove, thus dovepa.  I don't know you either. Just knowing your name or where you work does not make me know you. It is not really relevant who uses a BMS. People used to use x-rays to measure their shoe size and it had a viewer so you could see your feet x-

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

2015-08-04 Thread paul dove via EV
Hey Mark, I know that seems like sounds reasonable to most people. However, a battery is chemical and while you can measure resistance with a meter a battery has no resistance in the electrical sense. What appears as resistance in a Lithium Ion cell is really the diffusion rate of Li Ions into t

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

2015-08-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I don't believe cell drift exist either. If they are unbalanced it is because there is a parasitic load on the cells that are unbalanced. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > Hi Paul, > Thanks for putting a name to the message. > I have a bit of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

2015-08-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I whole heartily agree. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > > We already went round and round with this "no self discharge, no BMS" fellow > a few months ago. > > >> On 8/4/2015 5:08 PM, paul dove via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

2015-08-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
That technology is not on every vehicle manufactured. Some will never be willing to pay for it. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > >> On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: >> >> We already went round and round with this "no self disch

Re: [EVDL] suggestions for non-conductive battery box liner?

2015-08-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Polyethylene https://www.interstateplastics.com/king-starboard-marine-board.php?searchtext=king%20starboard&kw=king%20starboard&gclid=COWny5fllccCFRCCaQodZcEObg Sent from my iPad > On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > I will soon be replacing the lead acid golf cart batteri

Re: [EVDL] suggestions for non-conductive battery box liner?

2015-08-07 Thread Paul Dove via EV
You could or even MDPE although I was thinking he wanted a rigid structure like plywood. LDPE is the most flexible and typically used for shampoo, lotion and other types of squeeze bottles or plastic pages. Plus I'm not sure where to buy it in sheets Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2015, at 4:

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2015-08-15 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Some of these articles get facts all screwed up. Lithium is cheap $6000 a ton. It's the manufacturing of the battery that costs so much. All the raw materials inside are low cost. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2015, at 2:19 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://www.theguardian.com/bu

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-15 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It is because of the EPA enacted the cross state air pollution rule forcing states to reduce emissions. The cost of the upgrades makes natural gas plants more profitable so they quit building cole plants Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > On A

Re: [EVDL] Couple needed medical treatment from electric bicycle fire Gosport.uk

2015-08-24 Thread Paul Dove via EV
A li ion battery fire is not an electrical fire. And yes you want to get the heat out so water works well. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:29 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/newS/13600986.Couple_injured_after_electric_bike_sparks_fire_at_Hampshire_ho

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Enhanced 2016 Leaf To Launch U.S.-wide In September 2015

2015-08-26 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Tesla has beat Nissan every year in Salea. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:48 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://insideevs.com/enhanced-2016-nissan-leaf-to-launch-nationwide-in-september/ > UPDATE: Enhanced 2016 Nissan LEAF To Launch Nationwide In September > [20150820] by

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EVr Grant upset with iced spots.ca> only a $27 ticket

2015-08-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I believe the answer will be solved when someone can profit. Once they are charging for electricity then they will tow even the EV if it's done charging and still occupying the space. Like parking meters. The other solution is to put them at filling stations with the gas pumps so you can shop or

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WY-lawmakers' EV-roadtax fee doesn't require an annual $50 decal

2015-09-03 Thread paul dove via EV
I don't know that the government is doing any environmental cleanup for fossil fuels. Are they taking carbon back out of the air? From: Robert Bruninga via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WY-lawmakers' EV-road

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big Battery Pack?

2015-09-29 Thread paul dove via EV
Easy, The only people buying EVs now are early adopters. It's new and most people are afraid of them. People who already had a lead EV, people who only buy the latest tech, and green people, those are the customer base. Elon Musk said that he would go to high society dinners and functions and s

Re: [EVDL] Gas vs Electric Lawn Mower - Elec wins

2015-10-12 Thread paul dove via EV
No, they don't care about that either since it cost me 40 cents a day to go to work and it costs my wife 5 or 6 bucks depending on the price of gas. It's just new technology and most people are afraid of change. However, it will eventually be realized by all. From: damon henry via EV T

Re: [EVDL] Gas vs Electric Lawn Mower - Elec wins

2015-10-13 Thread paul dove via EV
I like the one I made better than the Mitsubishi From: damon henry via EV To: EV List Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Gas vs Electric Lawn Mower - Elec wins Cool.  I had a chance to drive Jay Donnaway's a couple of years ago and really enjoyed it.  It is

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries, media frenzy

2015-10-13 Thread paul dove via EV
It is always the charger. Batteries don't burn except during charging or if you puncture them. From: Alan Arrison via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: [EVDL] Lithium batteries, media frenzy Is it just me or is the media in a

Re: [EVDL] Suitable Load?

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Halogen bulbs are made in general for 6V, 12V, 24V. To run the lamps on 120v AC a transformer is needed. A rectification is not needed because the bulbs work with AC and DC. The halogen lamp is an advanced form of incandescent lamp. Using too low a voltage will produce little current and too hi

Re: [EVDL] Suitable Load?

2015-11-05 Thread paul dove via EV
have low current and at high voltage you have high current as I said. From: Lee Hart To: Paul Dove ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Suitable Load? Paul Dove via EV wrote: > Halogen bulbs are made in general for

Re: [EVDL] Rickard's EVTV let the smoke out> overcharged pack fire blew up

2015-11-08 Thread paul dove via EV
There is no evidence thus far to support that theory. It could have been a pack he uses to power his bench or one he was charging to put in a car. He does all sorts of crazy experiments like test the sag while pulling 1000 amps. From the article it didn't sound like it was in a car. From:

Re: [EVDL] Rickard's EVTV let the smoke out> overcharged pack fire blew up

2015-11-08 Thread paul dove via EV
o a large company with real money to command action) so I expect this argument to continue, and it should.   On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:03 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: There is no evidence thus far to support that theory. It could have been a pack he uses to power his bench or one he was charging to

Re: [EVDL] Rickard's EVTV let the smoke out> overcharged pack fire blew up

2015-11-08 Thread paul dove via EV
http://evtv.me/2015/11/a-dark-and-sunny-sunday/ Just as I thought he put the story on his web site and it was the pack he uses to run motors on the bench not installed in a vehicle or balanced in any way. From: Bill Dube via EV To: EVDL Administrator ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Metallic sodium anodes in sodium battery> 2x energy

2015-11-17 Thread Paul Dove via EV
One still has the problem of where do you get enough power to charge in 5 minutes even if the battery can take it Which remains to be seen. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2015, at 2:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://www.euronews.com/2015/11/13/salt-filled-batteries-to-give-eng

Re: [EVDL] A math formula can model li-ion pack aging, Pyrite pack

2015-11-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I was speaking of performance Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Michael Ross via EV wrote: >> Years ago, before improvements in testing, that may have been applied to >> "work better," but definitely, high temps are not a recipe for "works >> longer." >

Re: [EVDL] A math formula can model li-ion pack aging, Pyrite pack

2015-11-18 Thread paul dove via EV
In the two papers I have by these men they are using LiFEPO4 cells.If you want a copy let me know. The latest is dated October 2015 Here is the abstract. ABSTRACT This study investigates the effects of elevated temperature on commercially available high power graphite/LiFePO4 cells using a tempera

Re: [EVDL] Melted fuse leg (not blown fuse!)

2016-01-05 Thread paul dove via EV
Hello Roland, Not sure where you get your information However, Dr. Dahn says that most damaging parasitic reactions that cause early cell failure happen above 4.0 volts he does  not say all of the effects cease. He  also states that it is the length off  time held at the highest charge voltage

Re: [EVDL] Charging Profile: Charge to 80% capacity (quickly)

2016-01-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Ben, While the current throttle function is in the Elcon manual.. I have never seen it implemented in the software. I have extracted the code from a dozen or so of Elcon/TCCH chargers. If someone has one that does this I would like to get my hands on it to extract the code! Sent from my iP

Re: [EVDL] Melted fuse leg (not blown fuse!)

2016-01-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
opying of any part of this message is > prohibited. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of paul dove via EV > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:53 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Melted fus

Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.

2016-01-11 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yea, but if you procure a good leaf pack it's 2500 instead of 10,000 for calbs. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Cruisin via EV wrote: > > The main thing to be concerned about when buying used junk batteries, is that > a lot of them could have been from crash tests or factory re

Re: [EVDL] Leaf donor car? Re: Books on converting a car to ev?

2016-01-15 Thread Paul Dove via EV
John metric uses lithium polymer batteries like the ones used in quad copters. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 15, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Jack Wendel via EV wrote: > > Here is what I got from John Metric. His initial comment is with respect to > the fact that I saw him interviewed on a TV show. A 12 sec

Re: [EVDL] Leaf donor car? Re: Books on converting a car to ev?

2016-01-15 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I can try to explain the significance. I believe he uses Kokam LiPo cells. The have a very high energy density. They can operate continuously at 10 C but will cause heating and capacity loss... C being the capacity of the cell so a 2Ah cell can put out 20 amps continuous and up to 8 C without s

Re: [EVDL] Alternatives for Golf Cart and Forklift batteries

2016-09-03 Thread paul dove via EV
> Lithium stack to the frame of the lift, you are aware that the Leaf > cells (and probably other Li cells as well) must remain under > compression or risk bursting the cell pouches open, inside the modules? I don't believe that at all what proof do you have the cells need to be compressed? A ce

Re: [EVDL] Alternatives for Golf Cart and Forklift batteries

2016-09-03 Thread paul dove via EV
You might want to rethink that theory. https://www.princeton.edu/~spikelab/papers/103.pdf Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > Paul, > Every time the cell is at the top of charge, it will expand. > Don't compress and you will likely burst it in s

Re: [EVDL] Cut-EVSE-cord-vandalism (pull-out cord)

2016-09-06 Thread paul dove via EV
All the production EVs I know already come with one. I got one with my I-MiEV Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > Eventually, a car MFR will wake up to the fact that he can put the entire > EVSE on the car and have a simple #14 pull-out extension

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Na Researchers reveal 650mi on single-charge Tesla 'superbatteries'

2016-09-14 Thread paul dove via EV
Hey Lawrence, Yeah I don't believe that is true. Their may be some game by reducing weight I don't think aerodynamics is going to play into it unless it's a sports car. Most people purchase a car For other reasons then economy. Comfort, utility, whatever fits their lifestyle. Weight is the gre

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Na Researchers reveal 650mi on single-charge Tesla 'superbatteries'

2016-09-14 Thread paul dove via EV
Yeah, I think your mixing the two up by lumping them together as more efficient. Aerodynamics buys you very little gain especially below 50 mph. Weight is directly related to energy consumption by the formula I gave. I did a spread sheet and graph on my car and weight dominated till you got over

Re: [EVDL] Michigan Denies Tesla Dealership license

2016-09-16 Thread paul dove via EV
Amazing there is a law against that. wish I had a business the law protected. Sweet deal! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > Michigan denies Tesla request for dealership licenseSep. 15, 2016 6:28 PM • > SA Editor Carl SurranTesla's (NASDA

Re: [EVDL] 100 mile Club

2016-09-27 Thread paul dove via EV
How much does it weigh?? Around 2200 pounds Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2016, at 5:34 AM, Pestka Denis via EV wrote: > > > Yesterday I joined the 100 mile club, (Range not MPH). > > Won't do this often, but just wanted to see if it was possible staying above > 80%. > > > 1965 Datsun P

Re: [EVDL] Should I Buy a Smart ED or a IMIEV or Chevy Spark?: 2014 Smart ED Service Manual Help

2016-10-02 Thread paul dove via EV
The only thing I ever heard was on EVTV. Jack bought a smart EV that had no battery and tried to buy one. He mailed a letter to the head of smart USA and they said they would sell him a battery for 12,100. I think in a later video he tried to buy one but they never did sell him one. So he asked

Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

2016-10-25 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes but was it a reliable source? Seems new EV sales are up this year! http://www.fleetcarma.com/ev-sales-usa-2016-half-year/ Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:36 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 25 Oct 2016 at 0:12, via EV wrote: >> >> What I had in batteries would

Re: [EVDL] Electronics help anyone

2016-10-27 Thread paul dove via EV
I did this on my Celica. I can dig up the details if you want them. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Tom Keenan via EV wrote: > > I ended up replacing the bi-metal 'voltage regulator' with a solid state 7805 > (if memory serves) to provide voltage to the fuel gauge and the te

Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk Wants To Power Every Home With A Solar Roof

2016-10-29 Thread paul dove via EV
No reason to speculate. Elon spelled his goal out years ago and it has nothing to do with competition. https://www.tesla.com/blog/master-plan-part-deux Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > In my opinion, I think Musk is moving the company's long

Re: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)

2016-10-30 Thread paul dove via EV
The have to pass the same crash tests of any vehicle. If it was hazardous they would have found it by now. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:59 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > % Normally, I seek out only the positive EV news item for posting. But > sometimes I find what seems l

Re: [EVDL] Local dealer $1k-deposit-signup(reserve): Bolt EV's In Production

2016-11-05 Thread paul dove via EV
Because the government forced them to make it Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > > I looked at the Bolt last night on line, spent a little while going thru the > stats, various reviews etc. > > One thing that totally astounded me was that the CSS

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Teslas aren't really that expensive. The park Audi's in the mall here and the cheapest one I have seen was 88,000 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 9, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > > Peri and all, > > > > Just think a little about the average mentality – America loves oil, it

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-10 Thread paul dove via EV
I don't think anyone besides Tessa will reach 200,000 cars any time soon. Nissan only sold 10,000 this year and 90,000 in 5 years. At that rate it will be at least another 6 years unless sales jump dramatically. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-10 Thread paul dove via EV
LOL Tesla I mean Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:58 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > I don't think anyone besides Tessa will reach 200,000 cars any time soon. > Nissan only sold 10,000 this year and 90,000 in 5 years. At that rate it will > be at least another

Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

2016-11-16 Thread paul dove via EV
The National Federation for the Blind (NFB) and the American Council of the Blind have been vocal regarding the perceived hazard of too-quiet vehicles because blind people use the sounds of traf c to determine when it is safe to cross streets (Sau- erburger, 2008). These organizations have lobbi

Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

2016-11-17 Thread paul dove via EV
2001 to 2006. The analysis showed that, based on reported incidents, hybrids are no more dangerous to pedestrians than other vehicles, and little variation exists in how and why blind or sighted pedestrians die in vehicular incidents. From: paul dove via EV To: Cor van de Water ; Ele

Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

2016-11-17 Thread paul dove via EV
DL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09 >On 17 Nov 2016 at 14:24, paul dove via EV wrote: > >>  The analysis showed that, based on reported incidents, hybrids are no >>  more dangerous to pedestrians than other vehicles, and little &

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161119

2016-11-19 Thread paul dove via EV
You will understand if you read, "The Car that Could". Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > > Wow. I thought GM would jump on the chance to get a foothold in the > affordable 200+ mile range EV category before Tesla shows up in a year. It > look

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA&OR ...

2016-11-20 Thread paul dove via EV
We get a new Tzar of the EPA with Trump. Rules can change rapidly. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > It does seem to be more than a coincidence. But part of the reason could be > the realization of an enormously challenging rollout. After all, t

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA&OR ...

2016-11-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I'm not sure what you are implying. Chart 63 says they have known reserves for 150 years. Yes, it's more expensive but the reason production peaked is because the are switching to other sources of energy. I grew up in Oklahoma and I have friends in the oil business. One friend has a chart of h

Re: [EVDL] Sold-out: $49mo, $0dwn 500e EV deal @Costa_Mesa-CA dealer> ends after Sunday

2016-11-28 Thread paul dove via EV
I called. It's real but only Ca., Oregon and Maryland residents Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:50 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> I decided to give a call to that LA dealership to find about this deal. >> the bottom line is: all the $49/me 3yr lease 500e EV

Re: [EVDL] Obd2 factory EV apps

2016-11-30 Thread paul dove via EV
http://www.obdii.com/connector.html A little more details here Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > Since most factory EVs use a obd2 can bus version a regular obd2 reader won't > work on them. The LeafSpy with a Bluetooth transmitter wor

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161201

2016-12-01 Thread paul dove via EV
It demonstrated no vulnerabilities in the app either. You have to trick the user. No software can protect you from the user being stupid. From: Mark Abramowitz via EV To: brucedp5 ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: E

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206

2016-12-06 Thread paul dove via EV
They don't loose money per say but they are in the red till the sell enough vehicles to pay for the new tooling required to make them. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > I don't know if new ICE models lose money initially, but it's certainly

Re: [EVDL] A. D. Little EV vs ICE report

2016-12-11 Thread paul dove via EV
ADL is an obvious think tank. I don't know for sure if they are biased but I have never seen a serious research paper list car and driver magazine as a source. I suspect oil company funding. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Joe Fields via EV wrote: > > Recently I saw this re

Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap.

2016-12-15 Thread paul dove via EV
7740 + 9000 - 2500 = 14240 if he buys it after the lease Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:01 AM, Home via EV wrote: > > 36 x 215 is $7740!! To be in the range of $14k total, the monthly would be > closer to $415/month. Still a very sweet deal. > > Take care. > > Peter > >> O

Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap

2016-12-17 Thread paul dove via EV
The human ear cannot usually detect the differences Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound quality won't match a > direct cord connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and

Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap

2016-12-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Dec 17, 2016, at 10:23 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV >> wrote: >> >> On 17 Dec 2016 at 8:36, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> The human ear cannot usually detect the differences > > Not to send this too far off topic, but it depends on WHOSE ear. It's

Re: [EVDL] Sequence of Events

2016-12-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Which EV, there may be similarities but I don't imagine they are all identical except in the main functions. My EV has one main contractor so when it closes everything powers up at the same time. Some systems have a relay on the negative side that powers every thing but the inverter or control

Re: [EVDL] Sequence of Events contactors (THINKS)

2016-12-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Sounds like a challenge. Anyone got one they want to sell cheap. From: Robert Bruninga via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sequence of Events contactors (THINKS) >  A software glitch in the THINK CITY made the

Re: [EVDL] A Bolt EV experience ...

2016-12-26 Thread Paul Dove via EV
According to Elon Musk the elimination of the $7,500 tax credit would be good for Tesla. He says Tesla has extra and can only get Saying that the "CARB ZEV credit mandate is incredibly weak" and insisting that it "needs to be fixed," Musk went on to say that ZEV credits are actually a crummy b

Re: [EVDL] Tesla with auto pilot predicts accident.

2016-12-28 Thread paul dove via EV
It very clearly predicted the accident with an audible alarm IMO. Probably sees there relative speeds off of gps in their phones or car NAB systems. I'm amazed what one can learn about traffic with just google maps. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Lawrence Harris via EV wrot

Re: [EVDL] Blew my Curtis 1231C Controller - repair procedures?

2017-01-01 Thread paul dove via EV
It's called an IGBT Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistor However a Curtis 1231C has MOSFETS bony IGBTs as far as I know. Repairing them is not for the novice. They are packed in there tight. I have one I'm not using I would sell. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Jay Summet v

Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..

2017-01-03 Thread paul dove via EV
I have never done it myself but I have heard of many people doing this. They get a can bus logger and log the data as they do various things in the vehicle, like brake, shift gears, etc. then they look at the data to what's changing. It's a grueling process but effective. My friend hooked up a l

Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..

2017-01-03 Thread paul dove via EV
Cor, that was a goo summary but you make a catalytic converter sound like an active device based on feedback. I am not sure what you mean because a catalytic converter is a passive device that converters the gas as it passes through. There are no controls. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 201

Re: [EVDL] Forklift Battery Options?

2017-01-04 Thread paul dove via EV
You can have lead acid batteries tested at Auto Zone. You would have to remove them and take then there. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Jack Wendel via EV wrote: > > I just purchased a used Yale order picker electric forklift for use on > paved surfaces. I came with a large

Re: [EVDL] Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

2017-01-06 Thread paul dove via EV
I've seen one with a Warp 9 in it. They claimed it was an easy conversion Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2017, at 9:25 PM, via EV wrote: > > I would really like to put a Leaf drivetrain in a 2000 Honda Insight. I have > two Insights and just bought a 2014 Chevy Volt, so I have time to work o

Re: [EVDL] TESLA - Patent Issued for Transient Detection of an Exceptional Charge Event in a Series Connected Battery Element

2017-01-09 Thread paul dove via EV
No, TI has been using impedance tracking for quite some time. They have chips that will do that function. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Danny Ames via EV wrote: >> Yet another advanced strategy Tesla has come up with to keep Li battery >> packs f

Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt named top car in N. America

2017-01-10 Thread paul dove via EV
And despite the fact that GM specifically said this was a compliance car and had no intention of selling this in other states. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > And when I heard it on the radio and no mention of the word "ELECTRIC" Bolt, > I ca

Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt named top car in N. America

2017-01-11 Thread paul dove via EV
It was an article posted on this forum. I will look for it. From: dannyterhaar via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt named top car in N. America Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list wrote > And despite the fact t

Re: [EVDL] What is a compliance car? : ... Bolt named top car ...

2017-01-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla doesn't advertise either From: Ron Porter via EV To: brucedp5 via EV Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] What is a compliance car? : ... Bolt named top car ... My opinion is that an EV from a mainstream ICE manufacturer is 'real' when I see ads on T

Re: [EVDL] What is a compliance car? : ... Bolt named top car ...

2017-01-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Quebec becomes the first Canadian province and 11th North American market, after 10 US states, to adopt a ZEV mandate.The law is modelled after the one in California, where the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate originated and where it has been the most efficient in accelerating the growth of

Re: [EVDL] What is a compliance car? : ... Bolt named top car ...

2017-01-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Canadian versions of the Chevrolet Bolt EV will be initially available only in three provinces, as General Motors seeks to stoke demand by taking advantage of government rebates. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Roger Stockton via EV wrote: > > paul dove wrote: > >> Quebec

Re: [EVDL] PG&E customers can get a $500 rebate if you own or lease an EV

2017-01-14 Thread paul dove via EV
https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/solar-and-vehicles/options/clean-vehicles/electric/clean-fuel-rebate-for-electric-vehicles.page Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2017, at 12:41 AM, David Murphy via EV wrote: >> EV owners aware there is an ongoing $500 rebate >> for PG&E -- next p

Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1231C diode testing: DR7506FR vs TSR2402R

2017-01-20 Thread paul dove via EV
IMO most components die suddenly not gradually. If a diode passes the functional test it is most likely fine. They all look good to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > I tested one of my original Curtis 1231C didoes, as well as one of the > repl

Re: [EVDL] Generator?

2017-02-15 Thread paul dove via EV
Alan Cocconi designed the EV1 electronics for GM. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:33 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > The most efficient EV APU I know of was the "Long Ranger" trailer Alan > Cocconi built for his Honda Civic hatchback EV about 2 decades ago. He used >

Re: [EVDL] Ryobi RM480e 38 in. Battery Electric Riding Lawn Mower

2017-02-17 Thread paul dove via EV
I converted an old murray rider with a golf cart motor and controller about 5 years ago. Very easy to do. From: Jay Summet via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ryobi RM480e 38 in. Battery Electric Riding Lawn Mower Just in case

Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1231c rebuild - thermal compound suggestions?

2017-02-26 Thread paul dove via EV
http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/thermal-grease-and-compounds/1206 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > I'm working on replacing the diodes and MOSFETS in a Curtis 1231c, and need > an electrically and thermally conductive heat transfer com

Re: [EVDL] Chelsea Sexton on NPR talks about EV's

2017-03-08 Thread paul dove via EV
To me it is quite understandable why automobile manufacturers do not want to make electric vehicles. If I have a company making something I wouldn't want to government to tell me I had to make something else. I think new companies need to start up making electric vehicles and just let Detroit sl

Re: [EVDL] Subject: Clean Power bites the dust

2017-03-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Thats good but thermal monitoring is necessary with many chemistries. Every laptop battery I have every taken apart had thermal sensors on each cell. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:33 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > On Wed Mar 08 08:08:01 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >> Wo

Re: [EVDL] Chelsea Sexton on NPR talks about EV's

2017-03-08 Thread paul dove via EV
My point was that it may not be political at all or have anything to do will oil. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:58 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 8 Mar 2017 at 6:50, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> To me it is quite understandable why

Re: [EVDL] 800mi Bolt trip ... (San Jose<>LA on ccs)

2017-03-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Drumroll... door opens and in walks solid state li ion battery Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > I simply think it shows that EVs aren't ready for mainstream yet. At least > not as the only car available for all purposes. Close, yes. More ra

Re: [EVDL] Low efficiency on your EV? Check the toe-in!

2017-04-28 Thread paul dove via EV
I wonder if that would help on my I-MiEV ? I thought I had lost quite a bit of range but I put 40 psi in the tires and I recovered half of what I lost. Anyone know the proper alignment on a I-MiEV? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Hoegberg via EV wrote: > > > > > ___

Re: [EVDL] Factory EV 2002 Toyota Rav4EV on the market

2017-04-28 Thread paul dove via EV
That's seems extreme to me. I'm sure it would be easier just to switch to lithium. I imagine only a few changes would be necessary the charger would need to be switched unless one could reprogram it. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:55 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > I

Re: [EVDL] Low efficiency on your EV? Check the toe-in!

2017-04-28 Thread paul dove via EV
r into the outer tie rod, shortening it by > 1/2 thread width) > Using just one crescent wrench, this was 2 minutes work. > Hope this helps, > Cor. > > -----Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of paul dove via EV > Sent: Frida

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread paul dove via EV
They are locked by virtue of the fact you would have to hack it to use it. It's locked technologically. Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > My car is locked. Superchargers aren't. You could try but now that you > mention it I guess I should ma

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-03 Thread paul dove via EV
All modern cars can be disabled. I see them do it in cops all the time. Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > Simple, that is exactly the difference between a service and a property. > How much did you pay for the purchase of your credit card? > >

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-05 Thread paul dove via EV
Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2017, at 1:32 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 3 May 2017 at 10:28, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> All modern cars can be disabled. > > I read some years ago that GM had built this capability into Onstar, and

Re: [EVDL] EVs and altitude?

2017-05-06 Thread paul dove via EV
That depends are the vehicles ability to regenerate as well. I believe my miev will only regen at 100 amps but I could burn more than 100 amps going up depending on my speed. Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > From a Physics perspective, addi

Re: [EVDL] @50kW: Chevy Bolt charge times with a level 3 charger

2017-05-21 Thread paul dove via EV
I don't know what stiffen the pack means. Sounds made up. I did watch my car charge on a chademo charger though. I had 15 miles range showing when it started. It said 27 minutes to charge. It started at 100 amps. After about 8 minutes I was up to a 60% charge and it was charging at 48 amps. It

Re: [EVDL] @50kW: Chevy Bolt charge times with a level 3 charger

2017-05-21 Thread paul dove via EV
below the High voltage cutoff. Hope this clarifies, Cor. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of paul dove via EV Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:14 AM To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] @50kW: Chevy Bolt charge times with

Re: [EVDL] @50kW: Chevy Bolt charge times with a level 3 charger

2017-05-22 Thread paul dove via EV
needed since the balancing current is extremely low (10mA) >> So for the Leaf it makes no difference if you do a fast or slow charge, >> the BMS has exactly as much time to balance (24 hours each day). >> >> Hope this clarifies, >> Cor. >> >> -Original

Re: [EVDL] @50kW: Chevy Bolt charge times with a level 3 charger

2017-05-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Still sounds like a hold over from lead batteries. I can't imagine the voltage of an unbalanced pack being more than 10 volts loss in voltage. This would not be noticeable. Does anyone have real data? Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2017, at 1:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > -confused "

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