Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 20, 1:51 am, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Craig, Sorry for not answering sooner. I am very busy at the moment and realistically I cannot participate to the degree I'd like to. So this may be my last reply... I will try to keep it short. No problem, I understand.

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 20, 1:51 am, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Craig, Sorry for not answering sooner. I am very busy at the moment and realistically I cannot participate to the degree I'd like to. So this may be my last reply... I will try to keep it short. No problem, I understand.

Re: The Overlords Gambit

2011-10-20 Thread benjayk
Craig Weinberg wrote: The thought experiment doesn't mean much in that case, it is simply neurons determining the behaviour of two brains. I don't see that it matters what the outcome of the experiment is. But the neurons are also having their behavior determined as well.

Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread nihil0
Hi, Here is the abstract of Bostrom's Infinitarian Challenge to Aggregative Ethics Aggregative consequentialism and several other popular moral theories are threatened with paralysis: when coupled with some plausible assumptions, they seem to imply that it is always ethically indifferent what

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread meekerdb
On 10/20/2011 11:23 AM, nihil0 wrote: Hi, Here is the abstract of Bostrom's Infinitarian Challenge to Aggregative Ethics Aggregative consequentialism and several other popular moral theories are threatened with paralysis: when coupled with some plausible assumptions, they seem to imply that it

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
What about the idea that the choices you make are likely to reflect those of an infinite number of similar individuals? It's sort of like the issue of voting or trying to minimize your energy usage to help the environment, even if your individual choice makes very little difference, if everyone

Re: The Overlords Gambit

2011-10-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 20, 11:06 am, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: Craig Weinberg wrote: The thought experiment doesn't mean much in that case, it is simply neurons determining the behaviour of two brains. I don't see that it matters what the outcome of the experiment is.

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/18/2011 11:30 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 07:03:38PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: This, ISTM, is a completely different, and more wonderful beast, than the UD described in your Brussells thesis, or Schmidhuber's '97 paper. This latter beast must truly give rise to a

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread nihil0
Thanks for your response. Bostrom considers just the idea you mention in section 4.6 called Class Action. He uses the term YOU to represent all your qualitatively identical duplicates throughout the (Level 1) multiverse. According to the class action selection rule, Even though your actions may

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread nihil0
Thanks for your response. Bostrom considers the idea you mention in section 4.6 called Class Action. He uses the term YOU to represent all your qualitatively identical duplicates throughout the (Level 1) multiverse. According to the class action selection rule, Even though your actions may have

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread meekerdb
On 10/20/2011 6:37 PM, nihil0 wrote: However, this class action argument assumes that the value-density approach is an acceptable way to measure the value in a world. There are a few problems with the value-density approach. First of all, it seems to give up aggregationism (total

Re: Where is Truth?

2011-10-20 Thread John Mikes
Dear Stephen, as long as we are not omniscient (good condition for impossibillity) there is no TRUTH. As Bruno formulates his reply: there is something like mathematical truth - but did you ask for such specififc definition? Now - about mathematical truth? new funamental inventions in math (even

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread nihil0
I think most consequentialists, especially utilitarians, consider all sentient beings to have moral status. Utilitarians say an action is morally better to the extent that it produces more well-being in the world. Anyway I would prefer to focus on whether act consequentialism implies that all

Re: Has anyone responded to Bostrom's argument against aggregative ethics?

2011-10-20 Thread meekerdb
On 10/20/2011 7:20 PM, nihil0 wrote: I think most consequentialists, especially utilitarians, consider all sentient beings to have moral status. But *equal* moral status? I cannot believe anyone has ever even attempted to live by such an ethic. Utilitarians say an action is morally better

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 08:00:55PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: There has to be some form of identity thesis between brain and mind that prevents the Occam catastrophe, and also prevent the full retreat into solipsism. I think it very much an open problem what that is. Hi Russell,