Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.05.2012 04:38 meekerdb said the following: On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or "unique-universe" theory are non computationalist dualist theories. Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian Kent ha

Re: R: Re: R: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 11:21 PM, scerir wrote: H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called "collapse" (reduction of waves packet). Dirac said that it is 'Nature' that makes th

Re: A crazy thoughts about structure of Electron.

2012-05-12 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
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R: Re: R: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread scerir
H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called "collapse" (reduction of waves packet). Dirac said that it is 'Nature' that makes the choice (of measurement outcome). B

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread Pierz
On Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:58:28 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote: > > On 5/12/2012 6:48 PM, Pierz wrote: > > I remember a kid back in secondary school saying to me that if > everything was determined - as seemed inevitable to him from his > understanding of physics - then you might as well give up and

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 6:48 PM, Pierz wrote: I remember a kid back in secondary school saying to me that if everything was determined - as seemed inevitable to him from his understanding of physics - then you might as well give up and despair, since that was inevitable anyway! I tried to explain that t

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or "unique-universe" theory are non computationalist dualist theories. Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian Kent has proposed a one-universe theory which doesn't

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread Pierz
I remember a kid back in secondary school saying to me that if everything was determined - as seemed inevitable to him from his understanding of physics - then you might as well give up and despair, since that was inevitable anyway! I tried to explain that this was a confusion of levels between

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 5/12/2012 10:19 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir wrote: > >> >A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. >> >Evgenii >> >> H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990)

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/12/2012 10:19 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir > wrote: >A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. >Evgenii H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion bet

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 12, 4:10 pm, meekerdb wrote: > No you don't.  I guess I have to draw a diagram > >                                 Determined >                                      | >                                      | >                   Coerced-Free >                      

Re: R: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 6:20 AM, scerir wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called "collapse" (reduction of wave

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2012-05-12 Thread John Mikes
Pure non-consciousness? that would approach the 'pure(?) nothingness' - even in my generalized definition of Ccness: "response to relations" leaving open he definition of a response and of relations. Otherwise it is perfect. RESPONSE came in as a concoction from "acknowledgement of and response to

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 10:22 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > You should get a 21st century dictionary In geometry, orthogonal means "involving right angles" (from Greek ortho, meaning right, and gon meaning angled). The term has bee

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > although machines can be said determined, they are not entirely > determined from what they can know about themselves at the time they decide > to act. > As I've said many many times, Turing proved in 1936 that in general there is no shortc

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 12, 2012 meekerdb wrote: > You should get a 21st century dictionary > In geometry, orthogonal means "involving right angles" (from Greek ortho, > meaning right, and gon meaning angled). The term has been extended to > general use, meaning the characteristic of being independent (rela

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir wrote: > >A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. > >Evgenii > > H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports > a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what > actually gives rise to the so called "coll

R: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread scerir
>A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. >Evgenii H. Kragh ("Dirac: a Scientific Biography", Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called "collapse" (reduction of waves packet). Dirac said that it is '

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or "unique-universe" theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony has shown, the idea that consciousness collapse the wave leads to many difficulties, like non local hidd

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2012, at 08:02, John Clark wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > And why did you murder your wife? the judge asked. If I had a reason I killed my wife and the judge thought that reason indicated I was unlikely to do something like that again (I killed

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or "unique-universe" theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony has shown, the idea that consciousness collapse the wave leads to many difficulties, like non local hidden variables in physics, or solipsism in philosop

Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/05/quantum-dualist-interactionism.html In Chapter 2, Conscious Souls, Brains and Quantum Mechanics there is a nice section Quantum Dualist Interactionism (p. 17 – 21) where Max Velmans describes works that pres

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/11/2012 11:02 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > And why did you murder your wife? the judge asked. If I had a reason I killed my wife and the judge thought that reason indicated I was unlikely to do something lik