Hi Bruno Marchal
The block universe is the physical universe. So we are not part of it,
for it does not allow subjectivity, which is nonphysical. Or
mathematics or comp, which are also nonphysical.
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On 1/30/2013 7:22 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means
of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person's Machiavellian scheme,
Then perhaps you unaware of Joesph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard.
rather I
Creationism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are
the creation of a supernatural being.
Metaphysical naturalism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the
universe are NOT the creation of a supernatural being.
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Hi Kim
God is not himself created since the creator of all cannot create himself and
still remain a creator.
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On 30 Jan 2013, at 06:06, Kim Jones wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
I'm getting a bit jack of this term metadiscussion becuse it only ever gets
applied to what other people are choosing to discuss. People talk about what
people want to talk about. It's about taste, perception,
Hi Terren Suydam
Faith is a gift we are unworthy of.
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Hi Roger,
What else is it?
If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can
Hi Stephen P. King
IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder.
So they are collective.
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Hi Telmo Menezes
IMHO more than one universe is unjustified.
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Hi Roger,
I find it harder to believe in
Hi John Mikes
It didn't feel good.
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Roger: it is obvious that you have not understand a word of my
Hi Roger,
In the one universe model, where does the extra computational power of
quantum computers come from?
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Telmo Menezes
IMHO more than one universe is unjustified.
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Dear Bruno and Stephen,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
wrote:
On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a
long and deep computations is
On 28 Jan 2013, at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote (to Craig):
I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I
just don't see a way to survive and be free without an equilibrium
based on fire power. I wish that wasn't the case, but what's the way
out?
I don't think there
On 31 Jan 2013, at 11:05, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Kim Jones
kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
I'm getting a bit jack of this term metadiscussion becuse it only
ever gets applied to what other people are choosing to discuss.
People talk about what people
Hi Russell Standish
I have no problem with the idea that the universe is sort of ultimately
mathematical, except that equations by themselves can't
do anything except just be there. So nothing can happen.
All you have is an a priori.
The other problem I have is that such a universe as you
Hi Telmo Menezes
Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge,
a quantum has infinite paths available between
points A and B without invoking another universe.
So no problem.
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On 29 Jan 2013, at 22:14, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I am very glad with all your posts on religion, as they confirm my
theory according to which (strong) atheists are (strong) Christians
in disguise.
Wow, calling a guy known for
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Terren Suydam
Faith is a gift we are unworthy of.
Whatever floats your boat.
Terren
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:46 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/30/2013 7:22 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily
successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any
one person's Machiavellian
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:02:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Kim
God is not himself created since the creator of all cannot create himself
and still remain a creator.
Why not just say the same of the universe? If the argument for God is that
everything that exists must be
Now that the long time users have spoken, I feel the noobs should be
represented as well, so my two virtual cents:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 31 Jan 2013, at 11:05, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Kim Jones
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:05:00 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder.
So they are collective.
Interesting. In a sense I agree, but I also agree with Stephen that morals
flow from the individual mind. The
Hi Roger,
We can add together our claims to get a better claim as I see a way
to bring our ideas together. How about: morals are the rules of the
individual generated by interactions with others. I still refuse to
accept any coherence to the idea that there is a collective with a mind
at
IMHO more than one universe per entity is unjustified.
On 1/31/2013 8:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Telmo Menezes
IMHO more than one universe is unjustified.
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On Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:42:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote:
i don't believe in the GOD in which you don't believe in.
I admit there is a story (probably apocryphal) about Pythagoras killing a
man for
On 30 Jan 2013, at 13:40, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
About Infinity. / My opinion /
How could mere man comprehend infinity?
==.
Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity
Why is Infinity the cause of the crisis in Physics?
Because we don’t know
On 1/31/2013 5:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Jan 2013, at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote (to Craig):
I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way
to survive and be free without an equilibrium based on fire power. I wish that wasn't
the case, but
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
God is not himself created
So the God hypothesis can not answer the question of why there is something
rather than nothing.
since creator of all cannot create himself
Thus God is not omnipotent and is demoted to the status of
Stathis, you are close to have written what I wanted to add to Russell's
outcry. I wrote some time ago to Roger asking him to give back our list -
to no avail.
Now I would add only one 'catch'phrase of Russell to your invaluable post:
...*the list has been remarkably troll-free*
implying that
On 1/31/2013 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:05:00 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder.
So they are collective.
Interesting. In a sense I agree, but I also agree with
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What's an entity?
Any system whose canonical description can be associated with some
kind of fixed point theorem.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
IMHO more
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 09:01:50AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
I have no problem with the idea that the universe is sort of ultimately
mathematical, except that equations by themselves can't
do anything except just be there. So nothing can happen.
All you have is an a
Hi PGC,
I have never suggested moderation of the list. It has been tried
before (not by me), and it doesn't work. Also, if you are aware of the
events on the FOR list leading up the the establishment of FOAR,
(http://www.hpcoders.com.au/blog/?p=5) you would realise that I'm in
perfect agreement
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:38:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What's an entity?
Any system whose canonical description can be associated with some
kind of fixed point theorem.
Nice. Interestingly this just came up on another
On 1/31/2013 6:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
you seem to believe that physics does solve the mind-body problem,
The evidence very strongly indicates that mind is what the brain does if that's what
you mean.
So you do assume the existence of a primitive or primitively material brain?
I agree with you Russell. It's nice to have new thinkers contributing ideas
as I was getting bored with Weinberg vs Clark, but at a certain point this
group will lose interest for me completely if 90% of the threads are about
stuff unrelated to the original 'everything' list concept. It's not
Might I add, I nearly choked on my proverbial cereal reading the heading
'abortion should be self-limiting since it cleans the gene pool' or some
such crap from rclough, and was about to fire back until I realized that
provocation is the *purpose* of trolling. So - I consider him a troll.
On
That just semantics. In my metaphysical string cosmology god is
created by the compactification of space dimensions.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Kim
God is not himself created since the creator of all cannot create himself
and still remain a
On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Telmo Menezes
Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge,
a quantum has infinite paths available between
points A and B without invoking another universe.
Once we are able to use (classical) information obtained in the other
quantum
On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:38:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What's an entity?
Any system whose canonical description can be associated with
some kind of fixed point
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
In my metaphysical string cosmology god is created by the
compactification of space dimensions.
Then God was created just like we were and it's rather silly to worship
Him; if you must worship something (and I have no idea why you
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