Re: Losing Control

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:57:39 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:03:51 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Craig Weinberg > >> wrote: > >> > >> >>

Leibniz uses the concept of entelechy (potential energy) rather than energy

In the quotes below, L refers to entelechies as souls. Only living being have souls of any type. From my own knoweledge of the history of philosophy the notion of entelechy seems similar to Schopenhauer's concept of WILL-- the "World as Will and Power "-- and -- Heaven forbid- Nietzsche's la

My central Leibniz resource- http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough

In case you want to go back and review some of my postings on Leibniz, you can always go to my site: http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/11/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > Yes, those are good counter examples. > > But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is > a sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are phenomenological primiti

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 07.04

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > >> This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that >> the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way >> identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is

Re: The world is in the brain

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Terren Suydam > wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > > > Yes, those are good counter examples. > > > > But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution..." is > a > > sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure

Re: Free-Will discussion

On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:

Re: Free-Will discussion

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> You already are aware of the relevant

The Taboo of Platonism

The Taboo of Platonism Ask most mathematicians if they believe that they invent new theorems or discover them. If they discover those truths, then there is a pre-existing Platonic realm of mathematical truth to which they naturally have access. But if you aski them afterwards uif they believe

WHOOPS! The taboo of Platonism

WHOOPS ! I left out a critical phrase in my previous email. The Taboo of Platonism Ask most mathematicians if they believe that they invent new theorems or discover them. They will almost always say that they discover them. But if they discover those truths, there must be a pre-existing Platon

Re: The Taboo of Platonism

It may be taboo, but I think the taboo is there for a reason - which is that to day that there is a Platonic realm implies a physical place in which pure forms or ideas are present independent of any content. Ask a mathematician instead whether there is a sense of mathematical truth that is uni

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability of species in an environment that is largel

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10 Apr 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote: On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > > On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: > > > > ... > > > >> I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that > >> pain and pleasure

Re: Scientific journals

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: > There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as > flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously. John K

Re: Scientific journals

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:31:08 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > > There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as >> flaky as modern cosmology. > > > After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who val

Re: Scientific journals

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 Russell Standish wrote: > Lack of importance should not be a reason. > That is ridiculous. Science and Nature cannot publish every manuscript they receive and they shouldn't even if they could because that would defeat the entire point of having journals. There is only room

Re: Scientific journals

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist wrote: > Their admissions standards have already tanked > Can you give a example? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: Scientific journals

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values >> rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously. >> > > > What about Schrödinger? > Schrödinger didn't say "There is nothing in numerology or ast

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

It's a bit odd to ask why a random event happened; if you could explain why then there would be a reason for it to happen, and then it wouldn't be random. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from thi

Re: Scientific journals

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:27:44 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who >>> values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously. >>> >> >> > Wh

In the current world economic crisis, is capitalism doomed ? You decide.

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Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > It's a bit odd to ask why a random event happened; if you could explain > why then there would be a reason for it to happen, and then it wouldn't be > random. > I'm not asking why the ball landed on 26 black, I'm asking why is

Re: The Taboo of Platonism

On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:41, Roger Clough wrote: The Taboo of Platonism Ask most mathematicians if they believe that they invent new theorems or discover them. If they discover those truths, then there is a pre-existing Platonic realm of mathematical truth to which they naturally have access.

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the survivability

Re: The world is in the brain

On 10.04.2013 22:58 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:34 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:18 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... You'

Losing Control

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: >> >> Muscles and cells follow your intention if they receive input from >> >> conscious centres in your brain, but the cells in those centres follow >> >> the mechanistic rules that neuroscientists know and love. >> > >> > >> > If that wer

Re: Free-Will discussion

On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You alre

Re: The world is in the brain

On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: Losing Control

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:23:06 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: > > >> >> Muscles and cells follow your intention if they receive input from > >> >> conscious centres in your brain, but the cells in those centres > follow > >> >>

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:38:26 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? > It couldn't. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving e

Re: Free-Will discussion

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > > If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? >> > > It couldn't. > Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neither random nor deterministic?

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say "pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolu

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:22:47 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb > > wrote: > >> On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >> Yes, those are good counter examples. >> >> But I t

Re: The world is in the brain

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >> Yes, those are good counter examples. >> >> But I think to say "pain and

would I win the bet after all?

Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html "Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role. "I'm interested in how this experience is generated. That's as far as I take it," says Nelson. As to the ultimate mea

Re: Scientific journals

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 01:13:31PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 Russell Standish wrote: > > > Lack of importance should not be a reason. > > > > That is ridiculous. Science and Nature cannot publish every manuscript they > receive and they shouldn't even if they could because

Re: Losing Control

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> > So you are saying that my arm moves at random times like the lottery >> > pays >> > off randomly? How come I can predict when I am about to move my arm and >> > be >> > right every time? >> >> The lottery pays off unpredictably to an out

Re: would I win the bet after all?

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Hi John, > > http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html > > "Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or > spiritual factors may also play a role. "I'm interested in how this > experience is generate

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>> > If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? >> >> >> It couldn't. > > > Are you saying then t

Re: would I win the bet after all?

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html >> >> "Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or >> spiritual factors may a

Re: Scientific journals

On 4/11/2013 10:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist mailto:yann...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? Does Craig have degree? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr

Re: The world is in the brain

On 4/11/2013 2:44 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren S

Re: would I win the bet after all?

On 4/11/2013 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html "Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role. "I'm interested in how this experience is generated. That's as far as I