On 2 November 2013 15:57, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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> By the way, personally, I thank you for – at substantial personal cost --
> blowing the whistle on this 1980s MIC gravy train. A world without
> whistleblowers is – IMO the kind of place Torquemada would feel right at
> home in.
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> **
>
On Friday, November 1, 2013 11:27:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote:
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> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> everyth...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Craig Weinberg
> *Sent:* Friday, November 01, 2013 1:45 PM
> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
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Wow, dogs might have emotions? What will they think of next? I suppose
they'll do MRIs on autistic people to demonstrate the possibility that they
have feelings too. There's got to be a Nobel in that. Mind you, where will
it all end? First dogs, then maybe mice will feel things too, and we'll be
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On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:20:45 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
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On 11/1/2013 12:15 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Jesse how much oil is embedde
2013/11/1 John Clark
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> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote
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> >> The diary is useless because the diary was written by "you" and
>>> contains predictions about the further adventures of "you", but now there
>>> are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" ...
>>>
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>> > ...,
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote
>> The diary is useless because the diary was written by "you" and contains
>> predictions about the further adventures of "you", but now there are 2 (or
>> more) people with the title "you" ...
>>
>
> > ..., but now there are 2 (or more) people
On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:20:45 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
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> liz wrote (Oct. 24) to Craig:
> *What are inorganic atoms? Or rather (since I suspect all atoms are
> inorganic), what are organic atoms?*
> *
> *
> What are 'atoms'?
> (IMO models of our ignorance (oops: knowledge) about a portion
On 11/1/2013 1:20 PM, John Mikes wrote:
liz wrote (Oct. 24) to Craig:
*/What are inorganic atoms? Or rather (since I suspect all atoms are inorganic), what
are organic atoms?/*
*/
/*
What are 'atoms'?
(IMO models of our ignorance (oops: knowledge) about a portion of the unknowable
infinite exp
liz wrote (Oct. 24) to Craig:
*What are inorganic atoms? Or rather (since I suspect all atoms are
inorganic), what are organic atoms?*
*
*
What are 'atoms'?
(IMO models of our ignorance (oops: knowledge) about a portion of the
unknowable infinite explained during the latest some centuries of human
I am definitely slow compared to most of the members of this list.
Although I have a 1966 PhD in physics from Harvard,
my major was in electromagnetic theory,
and after graduation, studied radar scattering and laser propagation,
which are 19th century subjects even though the technology is 20th cen
Liz,
On 01 Nov 2013, at 17:40, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR wrote:
> So, has step 3 gone from "that's absurd" to "everyone knows that" ?!
Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and
additional caveats and restrictions made by Bruno and other me
On 11/1/2013 12:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Brent
"It does not matter now that in a million years nothing we do now will
matter."
--- Thomas Nagel
Nice!
What we will do now can matter a lot in our normal futures in a millions years.
What we do now might still matter in a million years. N
On 11/1/2013 12:15 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Jesse how much oil is embedded in European renewables? Calculate the energy budget along
the entire pipeline form the original mining of raw materials all the way through final
disposal of obsolete windmills/panels etc. How much of this energy is f
On 01 Nov 2013, at 15:17, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
When some bully oversteps the line of decency, then by default any
discussion ceases to be rational. Then we are left with the choice
to let it be or denounce the crossing of our personalized line.
With regards to this infinite back
2013/11/1 John Clark
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR wrote:
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> > So, has step 3 gone from "that's absurd" to "everyone knows that" ?!
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> Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and additional
> caveats and restrictions made by Bruno and other members of this list t
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM, John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR wrote:
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> > So, has step 3 gone from "that's absurd" to "everyone knows that" ?!
>>
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> Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and additional
> caveats and restrictions made by Bruno an
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR wrote:
> So, has step 3 gone from "that's absurd" to "everyone knows that" ?!
>
Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and additional
caveats and restrictions made by Bruno and other members of this list that
I expect to hear about very so
On 01 Nov 2013, at 08:06, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, John Clark
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
this distracts from the question asked, which concerns the first
person
pov, from the first person pov. That is the first person
e
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
I don't think that anyone should be banned. We are all grown ups and
it's not that hard to set up an email filter.
I do think that it's depressing when people start referring to oth
On 01 Nov 2013, at 11:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: No problem, Richard. But then UDA shows that our bodies are
not machines. You better have to say "no" to the doctor.
Richard: Indeed I would.
OK. That is clear, and makes your work coherent with respect to comp.
But I wonder how UD
When some bully oversteps the line of decency, then by default any
discussion ceases to be rational. Then we are left with the choice to let
it be or denounce the crossing of our personalized line.
With regards to this infinite back and forth, all the insults and
cul-de-sac arguments, with zero pr
2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist
> Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
>
I did not bully you, I asked several times the same question, firstly
gently, and you mocked me, secondly, you mocked the proves/suggest, then
you said fuck you (I said for fuck sake before, not fuck you), t
Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux
> wrote:
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> > 2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes
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> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist
> >> wrote:
> >> > OK.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes
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>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist
>> wrote:
>> > OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests"
>> > rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". How
2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist
> wrote:
> > OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests"
> > rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, your
> > insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests"
> rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, your
> insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited.
And now you propagate t
2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist
> OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests"
> rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, your
> insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited.
>
Yes.
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>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Quent
OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests"
rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, your
insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> OK... but then you shouldn
OK... but then you shouldn't have use that as an argument... I respect
intuition, I don't respect using that as an argument.
Quentin
2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist
> Intuition
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> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" a écrit :
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Intuition
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" a écrit :
> >
> > John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a roger or
> stephen lin. Richard
>
> What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that we've
Bruno: No problem, Richard. But then UDA shows that our bodies are not
machines. You better have to say "no" to the doctor.
Richard: Indeed I would. But I wonder how UDA shows that our bodies are not
machines. What else could they be?
Bruno: Then, "physics first", or its idealist counterpart "sen
Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" a écrit :
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> John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a roger or
stephen lin. Richard
What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that we've found
a fully formed galaxy 700 millions years after the big bang?
Quentin
>
> On
On 01 Nov 2013, at 07:04, LizR wrote:
So, has step 3 gone from "that's absurd" to "everyone knows that" ?!
Since more than one or two years, John Clark oscillates between
"obvious non sense" to "obvious, period".
We might hope than in his "obvious, period" phase, he might go to the
next
Come on Craig, admit you wrote that. It's the last paragraph that is the
dead give-away.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:07:59 PM UTC+11, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> A Quora answer to the following question. Nothing new for me here
> probably, but It's maybe organized in a more concise way.
>
>
On 01 Nov 2013, at 02:51, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Jason Resch
wrote:
> A) The test described where the simulation process forks 8 times
and 256 copies are created and they each see a different pattern of
the ball changing color
Duplicating a brain is not eno
On 31 Oct 2013, at 22:01, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:58 PM, meekerdb
wrote:
On 10/31/2013 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I believe there's an important aspect of this type of discussion
that
is rarely considered. This sort of thing takes almost a religious
tone
where
On 31 Oct 2013, at 20:49, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux
wrote:
>> As I said before there is a profound difference between the two.
After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE person is seen
by a third party so it's easy to determine who "you"
On 31 Oct 2013, at 19:34, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: It is the Indra net of universal numbers reflecting
themselves which exists as consequences of the laws of addition or
multiplication.
Richard: Very Platonic and that is perhaps what programs the
Metaverse number net.
But from my Ar
On 31 Oct 2013, at 19:29, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:06:52 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Oct 2013, at 18:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:52:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Oct 2013, at 19:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Th
Jesse how much oil is embedded in European renewables? Calculate the energy
budget along the entire pipeline form the original mining of raw materials
all the way through final disposal of obsolete windmills/panels etc. How
much of this energy is fossil in nature?
Believe me I am all for renewable
On 31 Oct 2013, at 18:54, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
> this distracts from the question asked, which concerns the first
person pov, from the first person pov. That is the first person
experience. [...] Comp accepts that both copies are equi
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, John Clark wrote:
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> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> > this distracts from the question asked, which concerns the first person
>> > pov, from the first person pov. That is the first person experience. [...]
>> > Comp accepts that both c
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