Re: comptradiction?

2014-05-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 07:04:00PM -0700, Pierz wrote: I thought of that - a kind of quantum Truman Show in which the computer fakes QM effects with a pseudo-random number generator, or even some other quantum source (like the laser?). However mere random sequences will not fool a

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 May 2014, at 12:05 pm, John Ross wrote: He (Stephen Hawking) believes science has become too complicated and we need a theory that can be understandable in broad principal by everyone, not just a few scientists. Are you quite sure that was Stephen who authored that thought or

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 May 2014, at 12:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 May 2014, at 17:18, John Clark wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I think you could tell that the article was almost certainly worthless from the title alone because it is asking the wrong question. There is a vastly better question, Is

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 May 2014, at 18:29, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, please do not identify what - I - need for an (my!) unidentified consciousness. Excellent John! That's the whole point. Löbian numbers already get the difference between the body-mind third person relations and *my* unnameable first

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
The alpha particle is comprised of four protons repelling each other while circling in a tight circle and two electrons looping through the circular path of the protons. The four protons are attracted to the two electrons. The Coulomb forces from the two electrons are effective in keeping

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
I think my theory is a simple as possible. You should read my book. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. John R. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:06 PM To:

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
His The Theory of Everything was extremely easy to read. John R. -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:54 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.comwrote: The alpha particle is comprised of four protons repelling each other while circling in a tight circle and two electrons looping through the circular path of the protons. The four protons are attracted to the two

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 May 2014, at 21:13, meekerdb wrote: On 5/11/2014 12:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, the rest follows, but the negation of the rest follows too, unless, like Peter Jones, you add a criterion of primitive physical existence to what is needed for consciousness. But then the movie

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2014 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 May 2014, at 12:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2014, at 00:52, LizR wrote: On 11 May 2014 20:24, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Evolution did not produce consciousness, nor intelligence, no more than prime number and computations. All that exist in arithmetic. Evolution produced brain, which filter adequately

Re: comptradiction?

2014-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2014, at 03:01, Pierz wrote: I've been following the Is consciousness computable? thread and it occurs to me that there may be a contradiction in the UDA. Step 6 introduces the idea that we can teleport a brain (i.e. digitally instantiate a set of memories, predispositions etc)

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2014, at 03:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: We don't know that. It could be the case that all detections used by the abstraction of the universal machine are done by the sensory substrate in which the machine-program is instantiated. The machine is only an automated map as far as I

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2014 9:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 May 2014, at 21:13, meekerdb wrote: On 5/11/2014 12:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, the rest follows, but the negation of the rest follows too, unless, like Peter Jones, you add a criterion of primitive physical existence to what is needed

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
On 12 May 2014 23:53, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 12:05 pm, John Ross wrote: He (Stephen Hawking) believes science has become too complicated and we need a theory that can be understandable in broad principal by everyone, not just a few scientists. Are

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
On 13 May 2014 04:28, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I think my theory is a simple as possible. You should read my book. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. Sorry but that is a non-answer to all the questions I have asked. If you are incapable of explaining the

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2014 3:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 May 2014 23:53, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 12:05 pm, John Ross wrote: He (Stephen Hawking) believes science has become too complicated and we need a theory that can be

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
Stephen apparently think we will. JR From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On 12 May 2014 23:53, Kim Jones

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
On 13 May 2014 11:05, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/12/2014 3:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 May 2014 23:53, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 12:05 pm, John Ross wrote: He (Stephen Hawking) believes science has become too complicated and we need a

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
On 13 May 2014 11:15, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Stephen apparently think we will. I thought THAT line was due to pressure from his (now ex) wife? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
I don’t believe I have claimed that my theory is “superior” to existing theories or that it will “work better” or that it is an “explanatory improvement” over existing theories. I do believe it is closer to the truth than existing theories and that it is a simpler and easier to understand

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
There is quite a lot that Richard Feynman wrote that wouldn't fit on a tee shirt or be easily understood by Freshmen. John R From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:05 PM To:

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
On 13 May 2014 11:29, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I don’t believe I have claimed that my theory is “superior” to existing theories or that it will “work better” or that it is an “explanatory improvement” over existing theories. Then what motivated you to come up with it? I

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
On 13 May 2014 11:35, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: There is quite a lot that Richard Feynman wrote that wouldn’t fit on a tee shirt or be easily understood by Freshmen. Absorber theory, for one thing, I would say. But of course he also said that theories start out in a messy

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread John Ross
My theory complies with our four standards. I need your mailing address. You may prefer to call me and tell me what it is. My number during the day is 858-646-5488. John R From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent:

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 09:23:44AM -0700, John Ross wrote: The alpha particle is comprised of four protons repelling each other while circling in a tight circle and two electrons looping through the circular path of the protons. The four protons are attracted to the two electrons. The

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-12 Thread LizR
Thanks. It's 10a Lansdowne Street, Bayswater, Auckland 0622 New Zealand On 13 May 2014 11:54, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: My theory complies with our four standards. I need your mailing address. You may prefer to call me and tell me what it is. My number during the day

Re: Video of VCR

2014-05-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:50:45 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 03:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: We don't know that. It could be the case that all detections used by the abstraction of the universal machine are done by the sensory substrate in which the machine-program is

Re: comptradiction?

2014-05-12 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 3:39:21 AM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 May 2014, at 03:01, Pierz wrote: I've been following the Is consciousness computable? thread and it occurs to me that there may be a contradiction in the UDA. Step 6 introduces the idea that we can teleport a brain