Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-29 Thread LizR
I've heard of "Altered States", but what is this "alert status" business? (And why do you think I should remember falling asleep, when short term memory doesn't operate during sleep?) On 30 May 2015 at 02:48, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015 LizR wrote: > > >> >> an ameoba may be no l

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 29-May-2015, at 5:41 pm, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias wrote: >>> If we

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-29 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:48:47AM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015 LizR wrote: > > > It's possible, if consciousness is something that can be either on or > > off. It seems that way to me, > > > > Interesting. So you have only 2 states of alertness, zero or 100%; thus you > must

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread LizR
"No compulsion" when the choice is between Heaven and Hell - and on the basis of something we can't remember having done...? Let's try that in a non-religious context. "But, m'lud, I warned the victim that I was going to murder him if he went through with his planned visit to Midsomer - and then I

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 29-May-2015, at 5:41 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > >> On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias wrote: If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the F

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR > wrote: > >> On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias > > wrote: >> >>> If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due >>> to our own negligence. >>> >> >> That is known as "victim

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread LizR
On 30 May 2015 at 07:01, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR wrote: > >> On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >>> If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due >>> to our own negligence. >>> >> >> That is known as "victim blaming

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread Samiya Illias
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR wrote: > On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias wrote: > >> If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due to >> our own negligence. >> > > That is known as "victim blaming". It's the psychology of a sadist - the > same as the rapist'

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-29 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 28, 2015 LizR wrote: > >> an ameoba may be no less conscious, or more, than a kangaroo rat-all >> the same. >> > > > It's possible, if consciousness is something that can be either on or > off. It seems that way to me, > Interesting. So you have only 2 states of alertness, zero or

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, May 29, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Wolfram is not an expert in logic. >> >> >>And as has been demonstrated many times neither is Bruno Marchal. > > > > By who? > As demonstrated by Bruno Marchal of course. > >>> A function computable by a physical device? > >> Obviously, unle

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 20:12, Terren Suydam wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2015, at 05:16, Terren Suydam wrote: Language starts to get in the way here, but what you're suggesting is akin to someone who is blind-drunk - they will have no memory of

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-29 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias wrote: > If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due to > our own negligence. > That is known as "victim blaming". It's the psychology of a sadist - the same as the rapist's "she was asking for it". -- You received this message

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 19:18, John Clark wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> But citing Bruno Marchal as an authority is valid?? If you say one thing and Wolfram says another I'll put my money on Wolfram. > Wolfram is not an expert in logic. And as has been demonstrated many