On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 29-May-2015, at 5:41 pm, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stath...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','samiyaill...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up in the Fire due >>>> to our own negligence. >>>> >>> >>> That is known as "victim blaming". It's the psychology of a sadist - the >>> same as the rapist's "she was asking for it". >>> >> >> That's a horrible analogy! >> Consider the following verses: >> >> http://quran.com/7/35-36 O children of Adam, if there come to you >> messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears >> Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they >> grieve. But the ones who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - >> those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally. >> > > Morally, how do you justify punishment for not believing something? You > may be foolish if you believe the wrong thing, but not bad. In this > respect, God's morals seem inferior to humans'. > > > If you read the verses 7/172-174 quoted below in my previous email, it > states that God made us testify that He is our Lord. I think this can > probably be understood in terms of the consciousness discussion that has > been going on in other threads. Though we do not remember this, however > according to these verses, we did at one time testify to it -- much before > being sent to this world. At another place in the Quran, God states that He > has created us as His 'ibaad' meaning slaves. That means that we submit > only to God and to nothing else, that we serve Him alone. And at another > place, it states that there is no compulsion in religion, hence whoever > wishes can strive for a beautiful future, and whoever rejects is > forewarned. I see life in this world some thing like a quality control, of > being plugged into the Matrix, and striving to improve our reality. > The point is, if there's not enough evidence for a rational, impartial person to believe something, it is morally wrong to punish them for not believing it. For example, if the government passes a law and keeps it secret, allowing only easily dismissed rumours of it to get out, it is morally wrong to then reveal the law and punish people who didn't obey it. Note that this has nothing to do with whether the belief is good or bad - only if it is true. I could say that the Quran is a wonderful document, but unfortunately there is insufficient evidence that it is true; or alternatively, that it is an evil document, but unfortunately the evidence suggests that it is true. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
