Re: Weak Materialism versus Physicalism

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:41:44 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/30/2017 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Which is not what you said in the quote above. The quote is "first > person experience in physics has to be a sum on all computations". > Perhaps it is all just a typo --

Re: What are atheists for?

I think this is specious. Even humans who, as in sensory deprivation > tanks, have no interaction with their environment tend to "lose > consciousness" in the sense of going into though loops. If a brain were > truly, completely isolated from it's environment I think it very doubtful > that it co

Re: Weak Materialism versus Physicalism

On 4/30/2017 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 1/05/2017 1:57 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2017, at 03:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/04/2017 1:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: The absurdity, if I've understood this, is that idea of physical sub

Re: Weak Materialism versus Physicalism

On 1/05/2017 1:57 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2017, at 03:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/04/2017 1:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: The absurdity, if I've understood this, is that idea of physical substitution leads to a conclusion that nothing p

​Movie argument ​

​Bruno wrote:​ > > > ​ > It is not a time asymmetry, > ​ > it is first person asymmetry. You said you could never experience 2 things at the same ​ time, I gave a example of a way that you could. If my ​ example is wrong and there is a asymmetry then either ​ the Washington man or the Moscow ma

Re: Movie Argument ​

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> OK b >> ​ut ​ >> tell me Bruno, how many correct answers to the question "which city will >> BM feel >> ​ ​ >> feel to be >> personally​ >> ​ i​ >> n after the duplication?​" Do you think there is only one correct answer >> or a

Re: What are atheists for?

On 4/30/2017 6:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am inclined to think that consciousness = existence. Perhaps it's such a simple and fundamental thing that it becomes almost impossible to talk about it. Consciousness is the 1p feeling that there is something real. I am not sure why consciousnes

Re: What are atheists for?

On 4/30/2017 6:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Physicalists talk about emergence from complex interactions of matter. I remain baffled and ask you the same question that I ask physicalists: what is the first principle from where consciousness arises? Truth. That cannot be a mathematical construct

Re: What are atheists for?

On 4/30/2017 4:39 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 April 2017 at 09:22, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 4/25/2017 6:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 at 5:58 am, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sat, Apr 22,

Re: Rethink Genetic Engineering in the Light of the Quran

1. There is no wrong religion 2. Adam-story that of Eve, or Korányi? 3. Or else?? The Bible is flexible. Let:S FLEX IT. Lov-ya SAMIyA!! jOHN On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > In case anybody on this list is still interested, attached please find a > prese

Re: Weak Materialism versus Physicalism

On 29 Apr 2017, at 03:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/04/2017 1:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: The absurdity, if I've understood this, is that idea of physical substitution leads to a conclusion that nothing physical is needed. The absurdity is th

Re: Movie Argument ​

On 28 Apr 2017, at 20:55, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​​> ​OK that is the answer, but what is the question? ​Who is it we're talking about, who will or will not see Moscow and/or Washington?​ ​> ​Why do you ask? That was in the previous pos

Re: What are atheists for?

On 28 Apr 2017, at 20:41, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/28/2017 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Apr 2017, at 18:17, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/27/2017 12:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If there is a primary physical reality, you have to explain how it drives the arithmetical consciousness f

Re: What are atheists for?

On 28 Apr 2017, at 18:14, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/25/2017 2:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 1:13 AM, B

Re: What are atheists for?

On 26 April 2017 at 09:22, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 4/25/2017 6:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 at 5:58 am, John Clark wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> ​>> ​ ​Suppose just for ​ ​the sake ​of argument that non-physical co