Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Alan Grayson
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Sep 2019, at 21:15, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 3:01:23 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:33 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, September 17,

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

2019-09-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22:24 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:41, Jason Resch > > wrote: > > Like Max Tegmark, in "Our Mathematical Universe", who described how > duplication of the person results in an inability to perfectly predict > future outcomes

Something Deeply Hidden

2019-09-20 Thread John Clark
I've just finished Sean Carroll's new book "Something Deeply Hidden" and I thought it was excellent, it makes the strongest case I've seen for the Many World's view of Quantum Mechanics. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: Observation versus assumption

2019-09-20 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:51 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > you invoke your god [...] > That is my cue to skip to the next paragraph because nothing intelligent ever follows. > >> And because of p-adic distance, which I don't think you've ever heard > of, > > *> Gratuitous inference, false

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:41, Jason Resch wrote: > > Like Max Tegmark, in "Our Mathematical Universe", who described how > duplication of the person results in an inability to perfectly predict future > outcomes and experiences, in this interview Sean Carroll describes how even > with perfect

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:39:14 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:31:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:04, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> From a pragmatic perspective, I do not see any Everettian MW (theory, >>

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:31:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:04, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > From a pragmatic perspective, I do not see any Everettian MW (theory, > math, ideas, formulations, interpretations or whatever they want to call > it) in

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Sep 2019, at 07:44, smitra wrote: > > On 18-09-2019 20:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> On 9/18/2019 1:33 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> But suppose you flip a coin and while it's in the air, you write its wf. >>> Since the prevailing belief is that all objects are

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Sep 2019, at 21:15, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 3:01:23 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:33 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:08:16 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Sep 2019, at 20:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2019 1:33 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> But suppose you flip a coin and while it's in the air, you write its wf. >> Since the prevailing belief is that all objects are quantum objects, why >> can't one

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Sep 2019, at 12:22, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:46:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:37 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > wrote: > On 9/17/2019 3:49 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:01 AM smitra >

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Sep 2019, at 00:45, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:52 AM smitra > wrote: > On 17-09-2019 09:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 5:08 PM Alan Grayson > > > > wrote: > > > > I know. I was just

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Sep 2019, at 20:05, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 4:43:37 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:51 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > Why don't you just accept that the wf is simply irrelevant after the > > measurement occurs > >

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:04, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 8:20:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Sep 2019, at 10:49, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 1:41:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> Sean Carroll:

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Sep 2019, at 13:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:43 PM John Clark > wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:51 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > Why don't you just accept that the wf is simply irrelevant after

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:38:02 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:27:59 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/18/2019 10:44 PM, smitra wrote: >> >> On 18-09-2019 20:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> >> On 9/18/2019 1:33 AM,

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-20 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:27:59 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2019 10:44 PM, smitra wrote: > > On 18-09-2019 20:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > On 9/18/2019 1:33 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > But suppose you flip a coin and while it's in the air, you write

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

2019-09-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
At this point, I'd settle for mere intelligence that helps solve human problems as opposed to the "hard" Chalmers Question.  -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2019 9:19 am Subject: Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic On 17 Sep

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

2019-09-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Ha! Thanks Bruno. I am kind of a physicalist-materialist sort of dude, and if these universes are forever untouchable, it because all pedantic as they say. Unless for example, the Borisov comet is really an interstellar craft, it's only moderately interesting. On math, please place me at the