Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 12/2/2019 5:39 PM, smitra wrote: On 02-12-2019 09:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 6:24:08 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 11/28/2019 4:17

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 03-12-2019 03:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 12:39 PM smitra wrote: On 02-12-2019 09:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: "even in many-worlds you end up on only one branch (stochastically)" Sean Carroll himself has said (in

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 12:39 PM smitra wrote: > On 02-12-2019 09:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:19 PM Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > "even in many-worlds you end up on only one branch (stochastically)" > > > > Sean Carroll himself has said (in a tweet) that if you let >

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 02-12-2019 09:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 6:24:08 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 11/28/2019 4:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Right. The

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 2:52:05 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 12:58 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > Spacetime does not really fundamentally exist. It is just a geometric >> representation for how qubits interact and are entangled with each other. >> > > I agree

Re: Branching on real-world decisions

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 6:21 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 12/2/2019 3:06 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > The other major source I can refer to is the book "The Emergent > Multiverse" by David Wallace (Oxford, 2012). This book is the most >

Re: Branching on real-world decisions

On 12/2/2019 11:31 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: Counterfactual definiteness is that unmeasured variables have definite values...something QM denies. Brent What do you make of this regarding indefiniteness?

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 12:58 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > Spacetime does not really fundamentally exist. It is just a geometric > representation for how qubits interact and are entangled with each other. > I agree it's possible Spacetime is not fundamental, it

Re: Branching on real-world decisions

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > Counterfactual definiteness is that unmeasured variables have definite > values...something QM denies. > > Brent > > > What do you make of this regarding indefiniteness?

Re: Branching on real-world decisions

On 12/2/2019 3:06 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:08 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 29 Nov 2019, at 00:50, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:27 AM Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 11:58:13 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > > Spacetime does not really fundamentally exist. It is just a geometric > representation for how qubits interact and are entangled with each other. > > LC > Or it could be the other way around: qubits come out

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On 12/2/2019 12:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In First Order Logic, Real Numbers are the one which simplifies. The first order theory of the real is decidable, unlike the first order theory of the natural numbers. The digital, or discrete, reality is more complex than the reals, which fits

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:48:48 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:10 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > >> what does "discrete spacetime" mean? >>> >> >> > It is a form of quotient geometry. >> > > Hawking said the Entropy of a Black Hole is one quarter of it's Event

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:10 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >> what does "discrete spacetime" mean? >> > > > It is a form of quotient geometry. > Hawking said the Entropy of a Black Hole is one quarter of it's Event Horizon in areas of Planck Length squared, so

Re: C60 Interference

> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:53, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:26:44 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> It seems like a

Re: C60 Interference

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:58 PM smitra wrote: > On 01-12-2019 09:12, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:11:41 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: > >> > >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 5:10:54 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > > Quantum physics has complementaries that are both deterministic and > nondeterministic. As a system of wave mechanics it is completely > deterministic. However, the Fourier components are amplitudes that in polar

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:19:44 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 6:11:37 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 4:36 PM Lawrence Crowell <

Re: Branching on real-world decisions

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:08 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 29 Nov 2019, at 00:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:27 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Nov 2019, at 22:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:27 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 25 Nov 2019,

Re: C60 Interference

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:26:44 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> It seems like a simple question aching for an answer. Why do physicists, >> many

Measuring the deviation from the superposition principle

https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.09143 Measuring the deviation from the superposition principle in interference experiments G.Rengaraj , U.Prathwiraj , Surya Narayan

Re: C60 Interference

> On 1 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > It seems like a simple question aching for an answer. Why do physicists, many > of them at least, prefer a baffling unintelligible interpretation of >

Re: Branching on real-world decisions

> On 29 Nov 2019, at 00:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:27 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 26 Nov 2019, at 22:39, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:27 AM Bruno Marchal >

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

In First Order Logic, Real Numbers are the one which simplifies. The first order theory of the real is decidable, unlike the first order theory of the natural numbers. The digital, or discrete, reality is more complex than the reals, which fits all holes, and provides (in the complex

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 6:24:08 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> On 11/28/2019 4:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 6:24:08 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> On 11/28/2019 4:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> >> Right. The subsystem we are considering (an electron fired at a

Re: C60 Interference

On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 5:58:20 PM UTC-6, smitra wrote: > > On 01-12-2019 09:12, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:11:41 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: > >> > >> On Monday,