Re: Rethink Genetic Engineering in the Light of the Quran

1. There is no wrong religion 2. Adam-story that of Eve, or Korányi? 3. Or else?? The Bible is flexible. Let:S FLEX IT. Lov-ya SAMIyA!! jOHN On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > In case anybody on this list is still interested, attached please find a > prese

Re: From Atheism to Islam

Besides you 'pick' a vocabulary from a limited choice of the English-called variations for testimony. I admire the broadness of information of the list-participants - which is not like consenting. Created the World? Well, IS THERE a World at all? Logically flawlessly? Well, who's logic?

Re: From Atheism to Islam

). I wonder if I come close to YOUR definitions? John Mikes On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/20/2017 7:33 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:19 AM, John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 Telmo Menezes

Re: From Atheism to Islam

Stathis asked: *Is agnosticism about God different from agnosticism about other entities such as fairies and elves?* My reply is ab astounding * " N O " * I wold add to te fairies and elves the forces, the energy, the matter and all facets of a universe-built world we came up with in our speculat

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

quot;YEAR" has no meaning). We talk in human terms/ideas/concepts/logic.I left it open to the BEYOND. I agree ith your 'natural' world-image. JM On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 29 Dec 2016, at 08:09, Torgny Tholerus wrote: > > > > On

Re: The Weirdening

ics are not understanding in such matters and the established law gives them the power to arrange for MY exit. I would transcribe your 'the world getting weirder' into DETECTING more weirdness as we get older (= widen our fact-based horizon). Whatever 'weird' may mean. John Mikes

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

Brent I do not intend to participate in the discussion of this topic fpr more than one reason: 1. I am agnostic, so I just DO NOT KNOW what (who?) that "GOD" may be. 1,A: is God a PERSON? (Or: many persons?) 1.B a Force - a Complexity - a System (etc.) or the like? 1,C Did He/She/It orig

Re: Cpies and Doppelgangers

Brent: what an idea the non-light version of the elemtary "LIGHT"? (a dark photon, eh? Like perhaps the nonexistence for existence? or non-math Platonism - all qualitative?) Needs a real scientific mind to think about it. Of course Hawking was such a mind and his brain-child is an inside-out paral

Re: Self-explaining Game of Life?

; something when there might plausibly be only a statistics on number's > (sharable) dreams. > > Bruno > > > > > > > >> Evgenii >> >> Am 14.10.2016 um 21:08 schrieb John Mikes: >> >>> Evgenii, >>> >>> do you have som

Re: Self-explaining Game of Life?

OK, Evgenii, I am game. Do you have any closer(?) idea what *ALIVE* may mean? (and watch out, the next question maybe about *"ORGANISM") .* I would not go that deeply as to question a (pure???) religious concept. Mit vorzüglicher Anerkennung - (for 'best regards') John M

Re: Self-explaining Game of Life?

supposedly exist beyond our world. Is a 'self-induced change' L I F E ? How induced? The question is exciting, I would learn more about it. John Mikes On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > I have listened to Sean Carroll's Big Picture. His world view is actu

Re: Conversations Between Trees

d list as a 'reply'. We 'know' pretty little about the Entirety and build out of that fraction our entire world as an 'experienced fact-based reality;. I think we agreed on such ideas many times. Regards John Mikes On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrot

Re: Conversations Between Trees

Dear Bruno, we are still in the anthropocentric/anthropomorphic failure to equate EVERYTHING with our humanbased experience. Organisms without brain-tissue do not exercise brain-functions as we THINK they do occur in our 'head' (guts?) and do not develop similar thoughts to us - the ways we try to

Re: ​Computationalism​

7;s (their's?) truth???, or fantasy-base (convolutedness). Math etc. is in this ballpark. I have a linguistic version of the Latin origin "to compute": to put (things) together as by *" C O M " *and *think* about them in such way hard *" P U T A R E " * which m

Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, why?

Leave the Milky Way for Andromeda? reminds me of the Hungarian joke (heard around 1930): Guy goes to God and begs: Oh my God, in who's eyes a second seem like a million years, could you give me a million bucks? And God replies: OK, just wait a second. JM On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:53 PM, spudboy100

Re: What are among the world's most important problems to solve, why?

results. The WORLD may have absolutely different problems (to solve, or live with) amd we have no access even to guess about them. Agnosticism gives a wider horizon to consider than a 'know-it-all' stupidity. The difference is: we cannot even guess. John Mikes On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 a

Re: numeracy

Brent: excellent comix and very very true. Explain America? ... Would you include geometry into math? e.g. trigonometry? We had all that in the 1930s in high school, including algebra and integrals/differentials. Of course that all beside 8 years of Latin (incl. old-Roman studies) 7 years German

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

ark so the content of your diatribe is not meaningful for you? and I selected only SOME from the 7 items you used. JM On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:41 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 John Mikes wrote: > > > Would you care to tell how you define 'life'? &

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

nd is restricted, we cannot even 'imagine' the varieties the infinite may have. Not to deny. Thanks for entertaining my words John Mikes On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Wed, J

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

JKC wrote: -- Atoms are more fundamental than molecules but molecules have properties than atoms don't have, and molecules are more fundamental than life but life has properties that molecules don't have; in the same way consciousness needs intelligent behavior and intellige

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

Jason, I accept your response. For the sake of better following we might use the (" ... ") addition to our listings to show that there may be more than ONE John M On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > John, > > Comments in-line: > > On Mon, Jun

Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

JKC: why do you think your ??? is T H E FLOOR? there may be innumerable lower levels... we just don't have the brains to think further. Q: what is the T O P ? John M On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:31 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 Jason Resch wrote: > > ​> ​ >> These diagrams mig

Re: Has the mystery of Black Holes been solved?

way adjusted to the present capabilities of our mental functioning. The 'Entirety' allows counter-arguments and counter-evidences, - maybe - invalidating our present views. Regards John Mikes On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Pierz wrote: > > > On Friday, May 27, 2016

Re: New prime number found

big number. JM On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > It's to correct your misreading. 2^74207281 concludes ...436352 so > 2^74207281-1 > concludes ...436351 and does not end in zero. > > Brent > > On 1/22/2016 1:12 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > *Is t

Re: Has the mystery of Black Holes been solved?

mind-level). The rest is unknowable for now. Outside of the fairy tale. But it is good to read self-assured peoples' "know-it-all" fairytales. Gives us confidence in the human ingenuity. Restpectfully John Mikes Ph.D., D.Sc., agnostic ret. scientist (38 patents) orig. profession: mac

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

very little time (if any) to improve. Thanks for taking me seriously John Mikes On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Fourth State of Water > http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.167802 > > http://www.gizmag.com/fourth-state-of

Re: Non-locality and MWI

is that Everett called MWI a bunch of IDENTICAL universes. In my agnostic view "MY" MWI consists of possibly no two identical universes, ours being one pretty simpleminded system - we know it only from the inside. We have no access to the others. John Mikes Ph.D. (chem-phys-math 1948)

Re: Bektashi Alevi

rations as well (what I do not include in my train of thoughts). I never received an answer to my skepticism about 2+2=4 in *ANY* relations. Maybe I am not scientific enough - so be it. (Science = doubt). Just a short remark John Mikes On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > &

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

ay. Of course, without substance. I.O.W.: to allow more to 'exist' than our knowables. JOhn Mikes On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Apr 2016, at 00:12, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​ >

Re: Aharanov-Bohm non-locality is an artifact of invoking classical potentials

the attached doubt of going the wrong way. Our observations result in knowledge adjusted to our present capabilities of the mind. That we try to order into usability. JM On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 6:39 PM, smitra wrote: > > On 20-04-2016 21:16, John Mikes wrote: > >> Dear Saibal, &g

Re: Aharanov-Bohm non-locality is an artifact of invoking classical potentials

ted to the capabilities of the human mind (at THAT time) APPLYING human logic (math?) and the content earlier deposited on the subjects. John Mikes On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:08 PM, smitra wrote: > The real world is quantum-mechanical, no classical. At the macroscopic > level, quantum mechanics

Re: Counterfactual Definiteness

w much about rhe QM-related readings and am too old already to start learning. I accept my ignorance and try to live with it as long as I can. John Mikes On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 Apr 2016, at 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 16/04/2016 12:20 a

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

In addition to that: I doubt whether Bruno would deny life from an infertile person (animal - plant) althouth there is NO reproduction there. I am not sure about the role of 'universal numbers' in that. Pack of cigarettes as epitome of *life*? I am a non-smoker, but alive (I think). Now comes the

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

and actions are what we are accountable > for. > > Presently, I cannot explain the phenomenon any further, I simply take it > on faith. The reason I shared it was because you were asking what life > meant. > > Do you have a definition for life? > > Samiya > > >

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

Brent, as I recall the 21 g was "the weight of life" - not sleep. And not ALL outlets were sealed for the weighings. To Samiya: "NAFS is a physical object" means it is part of the observable physical measurements we carry today, or 1500 years ago? is it composed of the 'atoms' of our present physi

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

ue FOR them at present. I am seeking a reply (correction, addition, negative reply, etc.) which then I can use to the betterment of my thinking. John Mikes We have but a ti On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 3/27/2016 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote: > >

Re: God

even more beautiful ones (??). Then some people (e.g. agnostics) may say: they MUST be from supernatural sources. I would not disclose my authorship either. It is not my goal to put 'úncertainty' into your faith, I appreciate faithfulness. John Mikes On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Samiya I

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

notice Brent was on the list)? > > > > > On 3/22/2016 1:14 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Nope, Sir, he was a Roman Catholic ONLY. > But you forgot Satan (Belzebub etc.) and I am sure some more as well. I > missed Wotan in the list and several more who were adored hotly. > Thank

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

on designated." >>> >>> A video footage, published on Feb 20, 2015, of Ambrym’s crater, Marum, >>> located along the Ring of Fire in the Vanuatu Archipelago, home to one of >>> *only >>> seven permanent lava lakes *in the world: >>>

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

wrote: > > > On 3/21/2016 2:47 PM, John Mikes wrote: > >> I had a good friend - almost ordained into Catholic priesthood - who said: >> it represents so little effort with so much benefit at stake to believe, >> that it is really not worthwhile not to... >> &

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

e opened for them, nor > shall they enter the garden until the camel pass through the eye of the > needle > <http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/05/until-camel-passes-through-eye-of-needle.html>; > and thus do We reward the guilty. > > > Samiya > > On Mon, Mar 21, 20

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

r religion (as) an amusement and play and deluded them > the life (of) the world." So today We forget them as they forgot (the) > meeting (of) this Day of theirs, and [what] (as) they used to reject Our > Verses. > http://islamawakened.com/quran/7/51/ > > And it will be said, &

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

hemy: compairing God's imitation to the human (emotional???) rejection and forgetfulness. 'Just as' points to equals. JM On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:17 AM, John Mikes wrote: > >> Excuse me, Samiya, do you h

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

I failed to connect your 'veses' to my questions. John Mikes On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:49 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > John M, > > The following verses address some of your questions: > > *Present Creation* > Do not see those who disbelieved that the heavens and the

Re: Humanity's best Go player was just beten by a computer

Just as fair as a running match between an athlete on foor and another one on a motorcycle. (Or say: on rollers...) On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:29 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:48 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > ​> ​ >> what I would call "FAIR" in the G

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

Excuse me, Samiya, do you have a distinction WHAT to call LIFE? What life? human only, or "ANY"? including plant, microbial, inorganic, etc.? Do the diverse kinds of such diversified life-listings have different Gods? Do a rose struggle to get into the ROSE-HEAVEN? (or into the same, where we may p

Re: Humanity's best Go player was just beten by a computer

JKC: what I would call "FAIR" in the GO-game would be to allow the human(s) the use of the (partner) computer's database and computing wisdom in their game to make them equal. Then it would show if the machine had more imaginative power than the human to play 'GO'. Would that serve an advantag to t

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

ostically yours John Mikes On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Please see: http://cosmicfingerprints.com/origin-of-life-video/ > PZ Myers - Perry Marshall debate: http://cosmicfingerprints.com/pz-myers/ > > > Samiya > > -- > You received this message b

Re: Some remarks on the mathematical structure of the multiverse

K we know". Mind-body came out of Descartes' genius to escape from the Inquisition - by a SOUL substitute partnered with the BODY. Agnostically yours John Mikes On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 01 Mar 2016, at 04:59, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Bruno,

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

16, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/16/2016 12:38 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > > * (JM):Physical sciences - so far - never explained the MENTAL activity > assigned to brains (guts?) (Brent:) No, but they explained a lack of mental > activity in the brain due to a var

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

in from asking "where" is that mentality (center?) - it may not be * *a localizable (or even temporarily traceable) locus. * *We know so little!* *John Mikes* On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/15/2016 12:38 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > JKC wrot

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

ideas and topical conclusions - are beyond our present physiological - physical data. John Mikes On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:09 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> Giuseppe Peano >>> ​ did not have​ >

Re: Gravitational Waves Detected By LIGO!

of the Entirety is way above our head (and it's content). Please, don't ask me for similarly fantasy-laden explanations about 'mass','time' etc. Now I joined the line of the self-expressing posters (vs Russell's wisdom). John Mikes On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at

Re: Old Testament, New Testament & Quran: text analysis

Telmo, I think you left out the main question: WHERE FROM did those texts generate (criticized by you only as for their technical content (different cultures and linguistic backgrounds). As for the "general problem of AI"? did we ever come to a conclusion how to identify "INTELLIGENCE"? I am incli

Re: LIGO

What difference does it make (to us) if something happens 50 or 650 million lightyears away? - No matter if _NOW_ or _THEN-in the deepest past_ . Iwould be less benevolent and call those "rumors' rather fantasy (even if supported by some human mathemaital considerations...) John M On Tue, Feb 9,

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

an 'souls' also the super-zillions of animal-souls and plant-souls all and all balled together in 'eternity' - to be just to all, not exclusively to humans. Terrifying! And there is Hell. say what you wish. I enjoy your 'faith-dictated posts, keep them coming, please. John Mi

Re: Political correctness run amuck

A remark to Dr. Dawkins: JKC wrote in the above e-mail: "...the fact that neither muslims nor women nor feminists nor radical feminists are examples of races NECSS was unable to specify what race the song was making fun of" When a child (1922-38) in Central Europe, I did encounter many times

Re: New prime number found

*Is this to vindicate, or abrogate my negative response?* *JM* On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > The number ends in 1 not the power of two, which must end in 2. > > Brent > > On 1/20/2016 11:49 AM, John Mikes wrote: > > JKC: is that so indeed? my mi

Re: New prime number found

JKC: is that so indeed? my minuscule math tells me that if something (any long number - or short) ends with a "1" then the* MINUS 1* of this number ends in a zero, dividable e.g. by 2, even 10 etc... 22 million digits??? John M On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:26 PM, John Clark wrote: > The largest kno

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

I don't think it makes much sense to search the origin of the supernatural fables in a world of minuscule - even natural - knowledge. Did the Spaniards have better support for their (religious?) actions than the Aztecs? Or the Jews? Or anyone in any religion? (Religion is regarded by the common peo

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

Telmo: and what is the difference between interfering with a superstition FOR a *mountain* and interfering with a superstition FOR removing an unwanted parasite from a womb that might evolve into a human baby? Or ... I could list long lines of similar (dualistic???) superstitions humanity widely ob

Re: Debate questions.

Plutocracy, if > you can keep it? Because of this, smartness will not count, and for the > same reason, we are likely heading for a 2nd US civil war, because there is > no opportunity for compromise. > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Mikes > To: everything-

Re: Debate questions.

Mitch, don't be naive: you will not find moneys assigned to HRC for prez. Bill is smarter than that. Even smarter than you. Besides: the questions will emerge when the 2-party debate comes up. On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 9:28 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote

Re: Microsoft releasing quantum computing simulator

Brent Meeker via googlegroups.com Nov 13 (3 days ago) to István: ihol a cikk, ha eddig nem láttad volna. - J Forwarded Message FYI -- "The simulator is 30 qubits, which requires 32 gigabytes of memory. That means it can run

Re: Virgin Birth

About the biological makeup of reproducing Brent Maker wrote: *> >Biological theory says that sexual reproduction should halve the> >fitness of the organism as compared with asexual (or parthenogenetic)> >reproduction, so asexual reproduction should be the norm (as it is in> >bacteria).* *>>

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

se I am no mathematician). Axioms I consider artificial rules made up to make (scientific?) conclusions valid. Maybe I am all wrong on this list. John Mikes On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > PA = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms > RA = https://en.wikipedia.or

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

I read it all, did not find what PA and RA are standing for. Can you explain in brief? Thanks John M On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Nov 2015, at 18:30, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 11/1/2015 11:09 PM, Pierz wrote: > > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 6:25:57 P

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

Russell, please: what is your take on "INTELLIGENT"? John Mikes On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, Nov 01, 2015 at 11:23:47PM -0800, Pierz wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:39:12 PM UTC+11, Russell Standish wrote: &

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

Beautiful! Not very flattering to acceptors of the Theory of Everything though: you have to forget EVERYTHING to begin with. Then make up the WORLD from that fraction you experienced and format it into a Total. The hack with the rest... JM On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Pierz wrote: > So imagi

Re: Fwd: Responsibility and Personhood

7;personhood'. JM On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 03:28:22PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: > > Jason, Russell, Stathis, Brent > > > > I am not a Platonian, not a physicist and not a believer, just an > agnostic >

Fwd: Responsibility and Personhood

Jason, Russell, Stathis, Brent I am not a Platonian, not a physicist and not a believer, just an agnostic (in my OWN sense of the term). I don't believe that an algorithm *"DOES"*, or *"ACTS" * so it cannot be 'held responsible'. We, the People do all this. *Russell's* 'sense of agency' requires

Re: A scary theory about IS

he needs (adjusted amounts?) without exploiting anyone, or accumulating big fortunes for themselves. Yes, it is a fantasy, but worthwhile thinking about it - sometimes we may approach such society - or, if not, we perish. On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On

Re: A scary theory about IS

(capitalistic? self-centered and growth-related - I mean gowth of their private wealth - upper class, involved* in* any ongoing politics) *existing societies*. But to dream about it is free. JM On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 9/27/2015 12:55 PM, John Mi

Re: A scary theory about IS

ker wrote: > > >> >> On 9/23/2015 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 22 Sep 2015, at 23:55, John Mikes wrote: >>> >>> Bruno, I am at a loss with your explanation. I lived the active first 50 >>>> years of my life in

Re: Human-amoeba etc.

hom. 2. the complexity-levels of an amoeba and a human (mind? I don't know about 'soul' mentioned here) are so vastly different that no straight comparison seems realistic. John Mikes On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Pierz wrote: > I disagree with most of the theorising about t

Re: A scary theory about IS

ed resources existing. And a (cut-throat?) Competition as life? thanks, but no thanks. . Do you mean cooperative and collaborating goodwilling people dead? On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 21 Sep 2015, at 22:49, John Mikes wrote: > > Bruno wrote. > *That i

Re: A scary theory about IS

ote: > > On 19 Sep 2015, at 21:16, John Mikes wrote: > > Bruno, > even before (your?) prohibition-S there was some capitalistic system in > the US, > leading to inequality and injustice in the economical status of the > population. > I am not talking Marxism. > The

Re: Some questions on ontology of dreams

Interesting set-up. Goes around the notion that our 'environment' is a subjective composition upon whatever we (humans etc.) can compose as a result of OUR (partial) views collected from Nature (whatever we call so). Without such composite there is no 'human' identified. The details my learned list

Re: A scary theory about IS

Brent, you wrote: *...You also need such an organization to say who owns what and who has violated a contract and who has committed murder and who has committed fraud, etc.Brent...* would you please write your OWN* Bible*? a* "Noch Nie Dagewesene"*? (one that so far never existed here-around) JM

Re: A scary theory about IS

prices, while a local overproduction is not even paying for susistence of the workers. Global is not practical.) JM On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 18 Sep 2015, at 21:37, John Mikes wrote: > > Bruno: > could you please define* "free market"

Re: A scary theory about IS

us and hard to control. Free travel? we see it in EU. And so on. John Mikes On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Sep 2015, at 23:17, John Mikes wrote: > > Excellent historical analysis, Smitra. Thanks. I was a contemporary > witness > during my adult

Re: Cryonics in the NYT

nd. Told as a story, later even written(?) into the 'Holy Books'. Then came the adjustments to the 'understandable' formats etc. etc. All that I place in the several millennia before we talk about religion(s) at all. Anyway: I am not a religious student. John Mikes On Fri

Re: Cryonics in the NYT

Samiya,* "forever"* is NOT a timespan, it is the *infinite* (maybe without an end, or without a beginning?) so your 'to live forever' may mean: IT IS OVER WITHIN THE INSTANT IT STARTED. (Or: it may indeed mean a duration without an end, as you suggest). THE 'HARD WIRED WITHIN' is natural in an env

Re: What day is it?

Hi! I vote for Sunday (Saturday?) when I don't have to work. Good dreams JM On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:41 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > ​> ​ >> You will undergo the following experiment: >> 1. During the weekend you will be put to sleep with a dr

Re: Could we live forever?

What prompts the question in my mind: what is 'forever'? Time is a relative coordinate we apply under our own universe - based circumstances together with space (motion?). In human reasoning (!). *Forever *brings to mind first: in a *timelessly* momentary fashion, definitely not the long-long-long

Re: Gödel's Philosophy

e little we THINK we know about Her based on the portion we (think we) observed and formulated a "human" reason upon it. According to such formulation the imagined 'Nature" (part) does fit into such *human reason*, what I would not translate into *"Nature I S reasonabl

Re: A scary theory about IS

into their armies to die in wars for the interest of the wealthy. It is called patriotism. The exploited slaves (dead, injured casualties of wars) of the system are called heros. Just to vent off John Mikes On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 31 Aug 2015, at 16:

Re: What day is it?

Q #3 is irrelevant, after Q #2. The answer is "I DUNNO" unless you detect indications for a better one. JM On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > You will undergo the following experiment: > > 1. During the weekend you will be put to sleep with a drug and not be > woken up until Mo

Re: The Mental Being

ed you what you meant by the term supernatural because you present > conflicting views, or so they appear to me. I don't see how that becomes > playing straw man. However, I understand if you feel we've exhausted the > discussion. > Regards, > Samiya > > On 18-Aug-

Re: The Mental Being

Sorry for my inaccurate English (the 5th I learned) - I wanted to express deterioration, not total annihilation. John On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:16 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 8/17/2015 1:52 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Brent, I really hate to contrast you, I appreciate your mind an

Re: The Mental Being

arrogantly considers himself > superior to another creation, and yet prays, to the same God he is daring > to disobey, to grant him respite to the Day of Judgement. In the narrative > in the Quran, Adam and his wife also err, tempted by Satan: 'Then Satan > whispered to him; he said, "

Re: The Mental Being

her of our political parties. (Your supporting Sanders seems commendable, although not too hopeful.) JM On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 8/16/2015 12:52 PM, John Mikes wrote: > >> Brent: >> did it slip your mind that your friend, the prez started the Arab

Re: The Mental Being

Brent: did it slip your mind that your friend, the prez started the Arab Awakening by stabbing Mubarak in the back by his letter and supporting the US-enemy Morsi ("The first DEMOCRATICALLY(?) elected Egyptian prez and his Brotherhood!!!) together with his then Foreign Sec'y Hillary, giving billion

Re: FPI & possible continuations

'reality' what we cannot know for sure. (Please, consider the English ambiguity in this last sentence: A. We cannot know for sure WHAT reality is, - or - B. I cannot mix up time and the other items with reality. ) John Mikes On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:

Re: Vast Methane releases in Arctic Ocean

hich > lead me to the understanding that the crime of the people of the Messenger > Noah and Messenger Lot are being or will be repeated, and then a Great > Flood will occur, as it did in Noah's time perhaps. > Samiya > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:44 PM, John Mikes wrote: > &

Re: A curious puzzle - teaching a computer to understand infinity

I think JC resoinded to Brent: *"​I don't have a visceral grasp of the true immensity of infinity. Do you?" ​* I wonder if 'immensity' means - B I G - ? in which case I cannot refrain from thinking about the* infinite SMALL* as well. Just like I may think for 'eternal' as being momentary and tim

Re: Vast Methane releases in Arctic Ocean

Dear Samiya, do the 'Messengers' teach about Arctic Melt, or methane accumulation? IS IT RELEVANT FOR HUMANITY? jm On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Arctic melt and its implications: > > > http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2015/07/arctic-sea-ice-collapse-threatens.html > > >

Re: Mission of the Messengers

Samiya, tha 'Satan' fable bothers me. Now we should 'believe' not only a 'God', but also a 'Satan' with destructive tendencies against humanity? I do not understand your " *'...God saved humanity from extinction by annihilating the criminals and their corruptions...'* *D*oes that mean that there a

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

and maybe even unknowable infinite complexity of the Entirety as potentially influencing our (known/knowable) world as the basis of "MY" agnosticism. Beyond that I try to comply with the World as we humans may know it by now). JM On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Enlightenment

;good' for those factors keeping us here. That does not imply a belief in some Hereafter, those 'factors' may be anything (Zookeepers..- Huris ... Spirits... or just inhabitants of another universe. ). On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On M

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