Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote: Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages: On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept alive, It reads that it was a great

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Samiya Illias
Good question, and one which is repeatedly asked by many within and outside the faith. God, in His complete knowledge, knows each and every soul and who is worthy of eternal bliss and who not. However, according to a decree, humans have been granted respite and an opportunity to believe and do

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:52, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Yes. After St-Thomas, most catholic theologian agree that God cannot make 17 into a composite number. God obeys to logic, So the God theory has zero explanatory power

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Jesse Mazer
But you do make the definite claim that God can change the laws of logic, which would include the power to get rid of the law of noncontradiction, no? Or has this discussion made you less certain about whether this would be within God's power or not? On Monday, December 2, 2013, Samiya Illias

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Samiya Illias
On 02-Dec-2013, at 11:45 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote: Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages: On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by Pharoah, such that the male children

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Samiya Illias
No, I just do not want to speculate about something I really have not given much thought to or can contribute by 'thinking' on it. The little that I've read of philosophers and theologians, discourages me as they only seem to go round and round in their efforts to make sense of it. Samiya

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Jesse Mazer
but priginally you responded to my comment about God and logic by saying This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? which I took to mean you were expressing a definite disagreement with the idea that God was limited to acts consistent with the laws of logic. Did I misunderstand, and

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2013 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote: I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect in every possible meaning of the word. Is God perfect for the children in Syria? (Easy question on an hard subject) Here, you might

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread LizR
On 3 December 2013 09:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/2/2013 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote: I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect in every possible meaning of the word. Is God perfect for the

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Good question, and one which is repeatedly asked by many within and outside the faith. God, in His complete knowledge, knows each and every soul and who is worthy of eternal bliss and who not. However, according to a

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Samiya Illias
God, to me, means an All-Powerful, Able to Do All, deity. That is my belief. What I'm saying is that I do not have an answer to the question you pose, and if I try, I'll simply be speculating about what I really do not know or have a way of knowing. There may be a very good explanation for this

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-02 Thread Samiya Illias
On 03-Dec-2013, at 5:42 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Good question, and one which is repeatedly asked by many within and outside the faith. God, in His complete knowledge, knows each and every

How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government. How silly. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough --- This email is free from viruses

How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government. How silly. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough --- This email is free from viruses

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread LizR
Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would say. On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government. How

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
to grasp what's possible with simple rules and building blocks. This does not explain consciousness, of course. There are enough deep mysteries to existence as is. Telmo. On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread LizR
consciousness, of course. There are enough deep mysteries to existence as is. Telmo. On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government. How silly. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread LizR
LizR lizj...@gmail.com Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would say. On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form

How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Jesse Mazer
Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is just another part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical forms. On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
/1 LizR lizj...@gmail.com Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would say. On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Jesse Mazer
of mathematical forms. On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government. How silly. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread LizR
On 2 December 2013 12:51, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: To add to my last comment, the article at http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-modal/ mentions that Leibniz was among those philosophers who distinguished between necessary and contingent truths, and only granted God the

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Samiya Illias
adopt Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is just another part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical forms. On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread meekerdb
On 12/1/2013 9:11 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? We believe that God is the Reality, the Prime Originator, the Sustainer, and the Final Goal. Everything is as God wills and allows it to be. That's what you say you believe. But is there any

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
QM already break the aristotelian identity thesis, imo. Bruno On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote: How can a grown man be an atheist ? An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can function without some form of government. How silly. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST

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