Re: Probability in Everettian QM

If there are an infinite number then frequency is ill defined and you have to introduce some measure...which is essentially the same as just postulating a probability. This is something like Carroll's solution which is to give "weights" to branches. Brent On 9/3/2020 11

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 7:43 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Applying the Born rule to the repeated measurement scenario tells you > that the probability of the extreme branches is low; whereas, the idea that > all possible outcomes occur on every trial trivially implies that the > probab

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:54 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > *in Everett, the low probability worlds always occur with probability > one. * I don't know what you mean by "low probability world", as Quentin says you can't count Everettian worlds, it would be like counting

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

ve chance, and probability would just be a measure of our degree of ignorance of hidden causes. > *the chance that the Yankees will win is independent of what we happen > to think about it.* If Everett is right then there's a 100% chance the Yankees will win and a 100% chance the

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:32 PM smitra wrote: > Even if the MWI is false and the wavefunction collapses to produce only > one of the possible outcomes with a probability given by the Born rule, > you'll still get all possibilities realized in a generic infinite > universe, wheth

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

Even if the MWI is false and the wavefunction collapses to produce only one of the possible outcomes with a probability given by the Born rule, you'll still get all possibilities realized in a generic infinite universe, whether it's spatially infinite or a universe that exists for a

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

>>> That's an interpretation... because I think there is no increasing or >>> decreasing of numbers of worlds there are an infinity of them always, >>> similar / identical "world" differentiate but there is no increase or >>> decrease, there is no mean

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

them always, >> similar / identical "world" differentiate but there is no increase or >> decrease, there is no meaningfull way of "counting"... The frequency is all >> there is. >> > > > That does not detract from the fact that in Everett, the

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

meaningfull way of "counting"... The frequency is all > there is. > That does not detract from the fact that in Everett, the low probability worlds always occur with probability one. In other words, the theory is intrinsically self-contradictory -- incoherent. Bruce -- You rece

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

-list@googlegroups.com> a > écrit : > >> Albert makes an interesting argument against Everettian QM, i.e. that >> repeated experiments will not produce statistics that converge to the Born >> rule, i.e. there will necessarily (not just probabilistically) be >>

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 12:18 AM John Clark wrote: > I don't understand Albert's position or the distinction he is trying to > make. He says that If the world is deterministic and given his knowledge of > the macro state of the world right now he thinks there is a 75% chance the > Yankees will win

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

> to Born's rule goes to zero as the number of repetitions increases. But in > the multiverse there are always contrary worlds and, while their fraction > decreases, their number increases with repetitions. > That is really the essential difference between Everettian notions

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

probabilistically) be experimenters in worlds supporting every possible probability value. Brent On 9/3/2020 10:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: This sort of way of approaching physics is no different really from theological debates about some esoteric Christian doctrine.

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

ees win and a world branch (or set of branches) in which deterministically they lose and our probability of being in the former is 0.75. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

i = sum_iO_i a*_ia_i. Your argument has a tight fit with this for O_i = ρ_{ii}. The difficulty in part stems from the fact we keep using standard ideas of probability to understand quantum physics, which is more fundamentally about

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

erimenters in worlds supporting every possible probability value. * > Not if the same experimenter also existed on a very large number of those possible worlds, and I would maintain that 2 Everettian worlds that were identical except that a grain of sand was moved one inch to the left on one

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

nt against Everettian QM, i.e. that > repeated experiments will not produce statistics that converge to the Born > rule, i.e. there will necessarily (not just probabilistically) be > experimenters in worlds supporting every possible probability value. > > Brent > > On 9/3/2020 10

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

Albert makes an interesting argument against Everettian QM, i.e. that repeated experiments will not produce statistics that converge to the Born rule, i.e. there will necessarily (not just probabilistically) be experimenters in worlds supporting every possible probability value. Brent On 9/3

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

This sort of way of approaching physics is no different really from theological debates about some esoteric Christian doctrine. The last of Carroll's The Biggest Ideas in the Universe series is actually interesting at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqphkIO7yt4 He has nowhere to g

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

I don't understand Albert's position or the distinction he is trying to make. He says that If the world is deterministic and given his knowledge of the macro state of the world right now he thinks there is a 75% chance the Yankees will win the World Series this year. If things are deterministic the

Re: Probability in Everettian QM

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:02 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > An interesting discussion of Everettian QM in two parts. The first part > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyvgBe9VV70 > > is just David Albert and Sean Carroll. It's quite reminiscent

Probability in Everettian QM

An interesting discussion of Everettian QM in two parts. The first part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyvgBe9VV70 is just David Albert and Sean Carroll. It's quite reminiscent of JKC and Bruno, using the same thought experiments (but more civil). Brent -- You received this message becaus

Algebra and statistics of quantum probability

2020) This thesis takes inspiration from quantum physics to investigate mathematical structure that lies at the interface of algebra and statistics. The starting point is a passage from classical probability theory to quantum probability theory. The quantum version of a probability distri

Re: Quantum Probability Theory

_index.html > > Lectures on quantum probability (notes) > > > *Quantum Probability Theory* > > > In the summer semester 2017 I have taught Quantum Probability Theory > (NMTP578) at the Department of Probability and Mathematical Statistics > <http://www.karlin.mff.cuni.

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Re: Interference of probability waves

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 8:01 AM wrote: > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:46:19 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does >> one get destruct

Re: Interference of probability waves

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:46:19 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does > one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability

Re: Interference of probability waves

On 1/11/2019 3:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The “whole problem of QM” is there. The coefficients of the terms in the superposition are the “amplitude of probability”, and they can be negative. The probability is given by the square of the amplitude of probability. As long as we don’t make

Re: Interference of probability waves

On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have completely

Re: Interference of probability waves

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 11:08:42 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:02, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does > one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering pro

Re: Interference of probability waves

> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:02, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one > get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values > within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this ques

Interference of probability waves

If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have completely forgotten the answer. AG -- You received this message

Re: Probability in MWI as self-locating uncertainty

arroll (arXiv:1405.7577) that probability in MWI can be understood in terms of self-locating uncertainty -- when all outcomes of a measurement are realized in unitary quantum mechanics, probabilities might arise because one is does not know in which branch of the universal wave functi

Re: Probability in MWI as self-locating uncertainty

From: *Philip Thrift* mailto:cloudver...@gmail.com>> This is strange. This appears here on Everything List when it appears to come from Free Thinkers Physics Discussion Group

Re: Probability in MWI as self-locating uncertainty

argument by Sebens and Carroll (arXiv:1405.7577) that probability in >> MWI can be understood in terms of self-locating uncertainty -- when all >> outcomes of a measurement are realized in unitary quantum mechanics, >> probabilities might arise because one is does not know

Re: Probability in MWI as self-locating uncertainty

From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 12:11:01 AM UTC-5, Bruce Kellett wrote: Adrian Kent (arXiv:1408.1944) makes some interesting comments about the recent argument by Sebens and Carroll (arXiv:1405.7577) that probability in MWI

Re: What is the velocity of a probability wave?

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:04:03 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > TIA, AG > The phase velocity is v_p = ω/k pertains to the velocity of any Fourier frequency component of a wave. The group velocity v_g = ∂ω/∂k is the velocity of the overall wave or the envelope of Fourier component

Re: What is the velocity of a probability wave?

On 8/14/2018 7:40 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:04:03 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: TIA, AG  Maybe, because a WF exists in the complex plane, it makes no sense to inquire about its velocity. I dunno. AG Sure.  The wf of a particle must

Re: What is the velocity of a probability wave?

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:04:03 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > TIA, AG > Maybe, because a WF exists in the complex plane, it makes no sense to inquire about its velocity. I dunno. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything L

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Re: Interference of Probability Waves

Renormalization. On 11/10/2017 9:56 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: How is the resultant value kept between 0 and 1? TIA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

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Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

ernatives "for dummies"? I'd need to study C&S's paper a little, I just read Sean's blog summary. But Fuch's quantum Bayesianism says that the collapse of the wave function is just like the "collapse" of a classical probability distribution when

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

n of realities, or consciousness differentiation. Bruno Brent Original Message Subject: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:21:04 + From: Sean Carroll To: meeke...@verizon.net New pos

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

st alternative to MWI. > > > Brent, could you possibly summarise what you see as the essential > distinction between the C&S and Fuchs alternatives "for dummies"? > > > I'd need to study C&S's paper a little, I just read Sean's blog summ

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

natives "for dummies"? I'd need to study C&S's paper a little, I just read Sean's blog summary. But Fuch's quantum Bayesianism says that the collapse of the wave function is just like the "collapse" of a classical probability distribution when we

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

On 24 July 2014 18:40, meekerdb wrote: This may clarify (or provoke) discussion of Moscow vs. Washington. It's > interesting that Carroll and Sebens use FPI and Sean says it increases his > confidence in Everett's MWI. But in his penultimate paragraph he > essentially lays out an endorsement of

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ly seen as the instrumentalist alternative to MWI. Brent Original Message Subject: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:21:04 + From: Sean Carroll To: meeke...@verizon.net WordPres

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Subject: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:21:04 + From: Sean Carroll To: meeke...@verizon.net WordPress.com Sean Carroll posted: "One of the most profound and mysterious principles in all of physi

Re: Self-Locating Uncertainty and the Origin of Probability in Everettian Quantum Me

in of Probability in Everettian Quantum Me Thank you, I will have a look at that. I am all in favour of answers to Quantum Sleeping Beauty problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

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derived too, not from the wave, but from the set of all computations, with its canonical redundancy. Bruno On 31 May 2014, at 01:09, meekerdb wrote: Self-Locating Uncertainty and the Origin of Probability in Everettian Quantum Mechanics Charles T. Sebens, Sean M. Carroll (Submitted on 29

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Self-Locating Uncertainty and the Origin of Probability in Everettian Quantum Mechanics Charles T. Sebens <http://arxiv.org/find/quant-ph/1/au:+Sebens_C/0/1/0/all/0/1>,Sean M. Carroll <http://arxiv.org/find/quant-ph/1/au:+Carroll_S/0/1/0/all/0/1> (Submitted on 29 May

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

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Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi Russell and everyone I appreciate the comments in the thread such as those on entropy vs universe dynamics which reveal the fact that I may be somewhat old school re physics. In the blog discussion I pointed to in my earlier post I do cover many points. For example at definition #3, I d

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

die-off.org -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:51 am Subject: RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 20 March 2014 14:28, Russell Standish wrote: > > Again, consider this to all be revised again in our lifetimes. > I know. Wonderful, isn't it?! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rece

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:44:17PM +1300, LizR wrote: > > Yes, I think that's what Carl Sagan said about the possibility of life > existing indefinitely, too. The entropy ceiling goes up indefinitely, but > the energy remaining goes down, and ultimately I would imagine it ends up > at the noise lev

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:19:13 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Liz, et al, > > The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained > before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think.. > > The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 20 March 2014 12:19, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Liz, et al, > > The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained > before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think.. > > I have also already explained this quite a few times, especially in answer to people who think the

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 20 March 2014 12:21, wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35:11 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > >> On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish wrote: >> >>> So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum >>> entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what >>>

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35:11 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish > > wrote: > >> So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum >> entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what >> happens to the free energy (stuff ava

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Liz, et al, The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think.. The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four fundamental forces, in particular on whether gravitation is more attractive or

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi, Hal, thanks for your kind and fast reply. Not that I want to overwhelm science, or even the knowledgeability of THIS list, but I diverted from the base of your position ~2 decades ago and became an agnostic. If 'life' increases the disorder then I agree: in my narrative (a model to 'speak abou

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish wrote: > So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum > entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what > happens to the free energy (stuff available for work), its a bit more > complicated, but it appears that proc

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

my alleged support for Soros; if you cannot I wonder if you have the courage to admit your error. Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial ci

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 02:40:16PM +1300, LizR wrote: > On 19 March 2014 14:27, Hal Ruhl wrote: > > > Hi Liz: > > > > Hi Hal > > > > > The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is > > constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this > > energy bei

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 19 March 2014 14:27, Hal Ruhl wrote: > Hi Liz: > Hi Hal > > The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is > constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this > energy being unable to do work. That seems a max limit to me. > The increase in the

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi Liz: The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this energy being unable to do work. That seems a max limit to me. Is there a way in which new energy flows into a universe? It seems to me that

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 19 March 2014 12:52, Hal Ruhl wrote: > > To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type > of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a > universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. > Further all such processes wil

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 3/18/2014 4:52 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi John: It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of th

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi John: It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. Further all such proc

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Speaking of "1984" http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/22635-focus-former-top-nsa-official-qwe-are-now-in-a-police-stateq -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving email

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Dear Hal Ruhl, it has been for long since we had our last exchangeI clicked the URL and found mostly agreeable general ideas (with my peculiar thoughts in frequent questioning). *May I ask WHAT kind of LIFE are you talking about?* I believe our Terresstrial 'bio' is only a segment. Then agai

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:37 pm Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization On 18 March 2014 05:01, wrote: Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and solutions, rather than

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

--Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

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Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

I'm not sure I follow much of what you are saying here. Maybe I need to go away and sleep on it. Then again, it's hard to answer comments on your memory of another thread... One thing about "1984" is that the Party are, I think interestingly, powerless. They never let *anyone* who commits thought

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:43:58 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:37:36 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 18 March 2014 05:01, wrote: >> >>> Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and >>> solutions, rather than promote mere complaint. T

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:37:36 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > On 18 March 2014 05:01, > wrote: > >> Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and >> solutions, rather than promote mere complaint. This goes for myself, but >> few seem to feel this way. If we want a clean gr

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 18 March 2014 05:01, wrote: > Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and > solutions, rather than promote mere complaint. This goes for myself, but > few seem to feel this way. If we want a clean green Earth, then problem > solving is essential. In that attempt to pr

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi everyone Below is a URL from one of my posts on the subject of life being inherently self destructive which I believe it to be. It provides my curent argument on the subject. I think such discussion is relevant to the main history of this group's threads because if life is indeed always

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:48 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization An excellent piece of

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona My only doubt is how long it will take to convert this discussion list, once devoted to science and (some) philosophy, into a pure mambo-jambo babble of left liberals new agers

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

decent idea, or promote one we have heard of. -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 11:53 am Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization My only doubt is how long it will take to convert

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

: Alberto G. Corona To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 11:48 am Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization An excellent piece of postmarxist (marxism rephrased as sociological "science") by the church of progressivism.

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

My only doubt is how long it will take to convert this discussion list, once devoted to science and (some) philosophy, into a pure mambo-jambo babble of left liberals new agers and ecoloalarmists among others 2014-03-17 16:48 GMT+01:00 Alberto G. Corona : > An excellent piece of postmarxist (ma

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

An excellent piece of postmarxist (marxism rephrased as sociological "science") by the church of progressivism. Unless the budget of the NASA and specially these "experts" is increased and a change in global politics and another international bureau of world engineers is created overcoming de

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Message- From: Edgar L. Owen To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:11 am Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization Liz, How is going to another planet and screwing that one up too going to help. The problem is not astronomical, it&#

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Liz, How is going to another planet and screwing that one up too going to help. The problem is not astronomical, it's human nature. The very success of humans as a species depended on the ruthless exploitation of nature and repression of competition. But those exact same aspects of human nature

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well, astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster struck, move from the valley where the soil

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well, astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster struck, move from the valley where the soil was full of salt or whatever, start again with a fresh load of resources. I can't see us doing that this tim

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:02:31 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course, > because we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel > sources. So we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or > similar). > >

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course, because we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel sources. So we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or similar). This does of course explain why SETI hasn't found anything. Hell of a way t

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

- I look at the facts on the ground > and see collapse as having a pretty high probability of becoming manifest. > Industrial civilization has burned through and used up about half of > everything - from oil, to aquifers, to top soil, to all manner of strategic > minerals and so on -

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

inge perhaps, actually wants it to happen) – I look at the facts on the ground and see collapse as having a pretty high probability of becoming manifest. Industrial civilization has burned through and used up about half of everything – from oil, to aquifers, to top soil, to all manner of strate

New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my thinking.. Edgar http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists NASA-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

Yes, it was. On 18 October 2013 20:51, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 Oct 2013, at 00:49, LizR wrote: > > By the way, my son (14) asked me the other day "what's the oddest prime > number?" > > Fortunately, I got the right answer! > > > I would say 2. LOL > > Was it 2 that you found? To be odd

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

On 17 Oct 2013, at 00:49, LizR wrote: By the way, my son (14) asked me the other day "what's the oddest prime number?" Fortunately, I got the right answer! I would say 2. LOL Was it 2 that you found? To be odd is very subjective here :) Bruno -- You received this message because yo

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

Or the largest prime number less than 10^120, because it's the biggest prime number...?!?!? :) There are two secrets to success. The first is not to give away everything you know... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscr

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