Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 2:55:09 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:12 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> I'll bet you Adrian Kent's paper* (did you read it?) is netter than >> Shut Up And Read Sean Carroll's Book On Many Worlds.* > > > I won't even ask you if you

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:12 PM Philip Thrift wrote: *> I'll bet you Adrian Kent's paper* (did you read it?) is netter than Shut > Up And Read Sean Carroll's Book On Many Worlds.* I won't even ask you if you read it because I know you didn't, I didn't either but at least I skimmed it and found

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:43 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> Path Integrals and Reality* >> Adrian Kent >> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.6565.pdf >>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:43 PM Philip Thrift wrote: *> Path Integrals and Reality* > Adrian Kent > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.6565.pdf > > *> We define the idea of real path quantum theory, a realist > generalization of quantum theory in which it is postulated that the > configuration space

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 1:14:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: Path integrals are a method of calculation not a quantum interpretation ... > *Path Integrals and Reality* Adrian Kent https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.6565.pdf *We define the idea of real path quantum theory, a realist

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 1:35 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > I did a search of his book [ > https://books.google.com/books?id=f16IDwAAQBAJ ] and though he does write > about *Feynman diagrams* I don't see anything about *path integrals*. > That would be a curious omission. > Huh? I don't see what

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 9:32:04 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:49 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >> https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous >> > > *> the so-called Many-Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, there >>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:49 PM Philip Thrift wrote: https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous > *> the so-called Many-Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, there are > universes containing our parallel selves, identical to us but for their >

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Oct 2019, at 21:22, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> >>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Oct 2019, at 19:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous >> >>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:23:20 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6,

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5,

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> >>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Tipler, and now Sean Carroll as well? :-)  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2019 9:28 am Subject: Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 5:42:02 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > > https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous > > *Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set a dangerous >

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 5:42:02 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > So, PH, I believe, that Frank Tipler the Omega Point dude, agrees with >> you on this one issue. He seems to be a

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous > > Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set a dangerous > precedent: science based on zero empirical evidence Any one saying that even

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2019 6:42 pm Subject: Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > So, PH, I believe, that Frank Tipler the Omega Point dude, agrees with you on > th

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-07 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > So, PH, I believe, that Frank Tipler the Omega Point dude, agrees with > you on this one issue. He seems to be a stickler for everything in physics > to be neat and tidy and conformal. This,

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
al Message- From: Philip Thrift To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2019 2:49 pm Subject: The multiverse is dangerous to science https://aeon.co/essays/post- empirical-science-is-an- oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set a dangerous precedent: s

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-07 Thread Philip Thrift
ch?v=jFpbngtvWD8=15s > > > -Original Message- > From: Philip Thrift > > To: Everything List > > Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2019 2:49 pm > Subject: The multiverse is dangerous to science > > > > > https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
=jFpbngtvWD8=15s -Original Message- From: Philip Thrift To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2019 2:49 pm Subject: The multiverse is dangerous to science https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set

The multiverse is dangerous to science

2019-10-07 Thread Philip Thrift
https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous *Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set a dangerous precedent: science based on zero empirical evidence* Jim Baggott @JimBaggott ... Sean Carroll, a vocal advocate for the Many-Worlds