Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-16 Thread Ken Archer
I have been using File Runner for over three years now and one of these days I might, MIGHT find a better file manager. It does so many things so well that it is the first program I install on a new installation. On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: > On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: > > looking for a

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-16 Thread John Aldrich
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: > looking for a secure ftp? > the ssh package from f-secure has sftp (secure ftp) which uses from what I > can gather > ssh > Nahh...just had never heard of "File Runner" before. :-) I just wanted to look it up. :-) John

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-16 Thread Ronald J. Yacketta
looking for a secure ftp? the ssh package from f-secure has sftp (secure ftp) which uses from what I can gather ssh - Original Message - From: "John Aldrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [expert] You pe

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-16 Thread John Aldrich
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: > > Very good advice about X and servers. When I set up a Linux Server I > never activate X I find the combination of openssh and file runner > adequate for almost everything I need to do to maintain a server. > "File Runner"??? Never heard of that. Is it some s

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-16 Thread Stephen Carville
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, John Aldrich wrote: -On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: -> Dude, get a grip. Everyone is a novice at some point in time. If you would -> get off your high horse for a second and realize, maybe these 'novices' are -> coming to the expert board for expert advice. Learn to live with

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-13 Thread Alen Salamun
Sheldon Lee Wen wrote: > Or at least RTFM sufficiently. I was a newbie once and got to where I > am mostly by reading all avaliable documentation first. (usually :) ) Hi! I think this is one of two things that seperates a newbie to a "expert". The other are experiences :) Bye, Alen -- *

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-13 Thread Alen Salamun
"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: > I don't mind "stupid questions" from people who are trying to get things > to work but these "holier than thou" "experts only" "we don't want the > damned distribution fixed because then the unwashed masses might start > using Mandrake" attitudes really piss me o

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-13 Thread Mike Corbeil
Alen Salamun wrote: > Mike Corbeil wrote: > > Hello. My name's Mike, aka Frank, as you may discover. > Hi Mike! :) > > You written us a really good "whole look" on the distribution. And yes, > the only thing I was upset was, > that even when "bugs" are reported some people have xxx excuses not t

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-13 Thread Mike Corbeil
Alen Salamun wrote: > Burkhard Zombronner wrote: > > Could you please stop shouting on us !!! > Hi! > > Ich bin nicht "schouting" an euch...heheh > (I am not shouting on you all) > > Only on people, that have a kind of funny approach like "...don't use > it, don't care...". > I have no intetions

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-13 Thread ArMiSiS AiEoLn
I try to use boath distros depending upon what my topic is. some times i've emailed the wrong distro dave On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: > > > > What I meant is that novice users use the distro too, and they are not > > so smart in figuring out, > > what i

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Sheldon Lee Wen
John Aldrich wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: > > > > What I meant is that novice users use the distro too, and they are not > > so smart in figuring out, > > what is not working correctly...And that is... > > > MY question is, what the heck would a NOVICE be doing > setting up a server

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Stephen F. Bosch
"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: > > No, YOU don't get it. > > He's trying to make Mandrake into a great distrbution by getting them to > fix up what's wrong, and you're telling him that he shouldn't say that. > > That's just too stupid for words. Brian: He's screaming and hollering about "bu

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger
Oh, come on. He was decrying a completely ridiculous attitude that suggested that if it was possible to patch up the Mandrake distribution so that it worked, then the user ought to be happy. This is simply silly. And he never suggested ditching Mandrke for M$; he did implicitly suggest ditchin

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger
But these issues don't belong on the newbie list, either; he already has solved his problem. These belong on the bug-reporting list or, since if I follow him he already reported at least some of them there without any response, on the 'cooker' list. Ron Marriage wrote: > > I guess what really

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger
No, YOU don't get it. He's trying to make Mandrake into a great distrbution by getting them to fix up what's wrong, and you're telling him that he shouldn't say that. That's just too stupid for words. In fact, he stated CLEARLY that IT ALREADY WORKS FOR HIM. He'd like it to WORK FOR MORE PEOPL

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread John Aldrich
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: > Dude, get a grip. Everyone is a novice at some point in time. If you would > get off your high horse for a second and realize, maybe these 'novices' are > coming to the expert board for expert advice. Learn to live with it. Don't > be a whiny topic nazi. Otherwise

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Eosnet
not be for you. -Jason - Original Message - From: "John Aldrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [expert] You people just don't get it > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: > > > >

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread John Aldrich
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, you wrote: > > What I meant is that novice users use the distro too, and they are not > so smart in figuring out, > what is not working correctly...And that is... > MY question is, what the heck would a NOVICE be doing setting up a server If you're a NOVICE, you should c

RE: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Joe Sheble
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ron Marriage > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 10:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] You people just don't get it > > > I guess what really surpri

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Alen Salamun
Ron Marriage wrote: > > I guess what really surprises me is that so many beginners > bypass the beginner list and head straight for the expert > list thinking they will get better answers to questions. Hi! As I said, I said that beginners have problems with even a smallest misconfiguration and t

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Alen Salamun
Jean-Louis Debert wrote: > Seems that YOU don't get it: this list is named EXPERT and is > supposed to be used by persons reasonably fluent with linux > use & config. > For beginners there is ANOTHER list, in fact there are several > as there are language-specific versions. > So, my point is that

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Alen Salamun
Mike Corbeil wrote: > Hello. My name's Mike, aka Frank, as you may discover. Hi Mike! :) You written us a really good "whole look" on the distribution. And yes, the only thing I was upset was, that even when "bugs" are reported some people have xxx excuses not to even investigate them... > When

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-12 Thread Alen Salamun
Burkhard Zombronner wrote: > Could you please stop shouting on us !!! Hi! Ich bin nicht "schouting" an euch...heheh (I am not shouting on you all) Only on people, that have a kind of funny approach like "...don't use it, don't care...". I have no intetions do shout on anyone, but this really go

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-11 Thread Ron Marriage
I guess what really surprises me is that so many beginners bypass the beginner list and head straight for the expert list thinking they will get better answers to questions. On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, you wrote: > Hi! > > I am really SUPRISED to see such replies like: > > ...I don't use it, I don't c

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-11 Thread Jean-Louis Debert
Alen Salamun wrote: > Hey THERE RE NOVICE USERS TOO! Not all are experienced in all this > stuff and Mandrake should be USER FRIENDLY TOO, expecially for > beginners! Seems that YOU don't get it: this list is named EXPERT and is supposed to be used by persons reasonably fluent with linux use

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-11 Thread Burkhard Zombronner
Am Mit, 12 Apr 2000 schrieben Sie: > Hi! > > I am really SUPRISED to see such replies like: > > ...I don't use it, I don't care... > This should be fixed by configuration alone... > mrproper should be run... > > Hey THERE RE NOVICE USERS TOO! Not all are experienced in all this > st

Re: [expert] You people just don't get it

2000-04-11 Thread Mike Corbeil
See below. Alen Salamun wrote: > Hi! > Hello. My name's Mike, aka Frank, as you may discover. > I am really SUPRISED to see such replies like: > > ...I don't use it, I don't care... > ...This should be fixed by configuration alone... > ...mrproper should be run... Ya, that stinks for a reply