[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh, BTW, note how carefully Barry avo

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Why are you obsessed with Barry? > > I'm not. However, his recent acting out has gotten under my skin a > bit, so you could s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This subtle, celestial stuff is absolutely, > > incredibly, charming, fascinating, mind-blowing when > > it opens-up, but it really has nothing to do with > > Realization. Like the TM-siddhis, the value is in the >

[FairfieldLife] "Interesting" linguistic "incongruence" in YS?

2005-12-28 Thread cardemaister
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "New disease" in Scorpionland

2005-12-28 Thread Jason Spock
      Sri. Brigante, if Britain is ScorpionLand,  then, is America a Centipede-Land.??       Take India for example, One out of every 10 child in india is Sexualy abused.      http://www.childrensrightsindia.org/Help_girl%20child.htm   OriginalMessage-

[FairfieldLife] Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Contentwww.medindia.netCANADA, December 19, 2005: The export of Ayurvedic medicines from India has suffered a set back following the testing by the Canadian Government that has revealed alarmingly high levels of heavy metal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Different states of consciousness may lead to > > > different levels of > > > ethics. > > > > > > MMY's point about an enlighte

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In Fair

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/27/05 9:13 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked > > closely with mmy. A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What about KGB. Did MMY accept that th

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
> > John Cowhig now has a job walking around in the forest looking > > for pieces of > > wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a nice job to me. > > Who does he work for? I'm interested, too, not because John Cowhig means anything to me, but because I know a few good luthiers, and am in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > The TMO has always related "higher

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-28 Thread Peter
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECT

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- authfriend wrote: > >> > >> The more abstract the understanding of the nature of > >> devas, the less "religious" they seem. Sort of like >

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually > > everyone who wasn't explicitly aligned with the U.S. > > government suspe

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" [...] > If this were the late '70s or early '80s, wouldn't ya think that the > TMO would be distancing themselves from such an "artiste"? > > Now don't get me wrong; I LOVED "Mulholland Drive" and especially > the Lesbian scenes (hey, who does

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- authfriend wrote: > > >> > > >> The more abstr

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure they took a hard look at the TMO, chuckled, > filed some reports, and then moved on. If there was ever any truth in the CIA interest in TM, I'm sure that description pretty much covers it. However, I would change

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Except that, as I noted a few posts back, vi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/27/05 2:51 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> And although on some superficial level it may be true that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > And although on some superficial level it may be true that the "vibratory > > influence" of the mantra causes TM to work, ultimately, the benefits result > > from aligning onesel

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When did the CIA get forbidden to dabble in domestic affairs? > Was it before Kennedy or after? The CIA has *always* been forbidden to work on investi- gations that are centered within the United States. It's part of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy > Metal Content > > www.medindia.net > > CANADA, December 19, 2005: The export of Ayurvedic medicines from > India has suffered a set back following the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 8:43 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy   Metal Content www.medindia.net CANADA, December 19, 2005: The export of Ayurvedic medicines from   India has suf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Peter
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines > Due to High Heavy > > Metal Content > > > > www.medindia.net > > > > CANADA, December 19, 2005: The export of Ayurvedic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High > > Heavy Metal Content > > MAPI has been testing for heavy metal contamination fo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Peter
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 12/27/05 2:51 PM, bbrigante at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread uvulonicus
Everyone bow down to the effulgence of Shri Shri Barryji, who is obviously immersed in realization and much much superior to us poor little Sidhas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uvulonicus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everyone bow down to the effulgence of Shri Shri Barryji, > who is obviously immersed in realization and much much > superior to us poor little Sidhas. See what happens when you've been trained for decades to bow do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Peter wrote:It does give you pause though, doesn't it? Are the heavy metals part of the auyer vedic formulation or are these contaminents? The ones mentioned it is part of their formulation in every case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Sal Sunshine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High > > Heavy Metal Content > > MAPI has been testing for heavy metal contamina

[FairfieldLife] Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
> > I wrote: > > > > We have lots of people here who've used TM mantras at > > some length. I'd love to read people's experiences in terms > > of what each of us has observed firsthand in all these > > decades of using our mantras. Get this discussion out > > of the realm of theory and into our

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > >  > > 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High   > > Heavy Metal Content  >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread amarnath
In India old newspapers are used for a lot of things ~ packaging, covering table while making chapatis, perhaps sorting herbs ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 3. Canada Re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It strikes me as a little bit crazy that we talk so > much theory around here. This master says this. > That master say that. That's fine, but what does > *your* research reveal? > > Maybe I'm harping on this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 27, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: The more abstract the understanding of the nature of devas, the less "religious" they seem.  Sort of like "Christ" the divine/human center of the Christian religion, versus the universal "Christ" as a mode of consciousness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authf

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "aut

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: Gillam wrote: Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]  is an ishta-deva -- "the  god one prays most" (Wikipedia).  People in *what* know?  People with knowledge of what? I can't cite posts, but I seem to recall that p

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uvulonicus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everyone bow down to the effulgence of Shri Shri Barryji, who is > obviously immersed in realization and much much superior to us poor > little Sidhas. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When did the CIA get forbidden to dabble in domestic affairs? > > Was it before Kennedy or after? > > The CIA has *always* been forb

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
> > And Judy's an old windbag who doesn't understand > > that her defintion of 'dishonesty' is 'anything > > that'll allow me to argue with someone in public.' > > No *wonder* nobody really cares. :-) > > Actually I much prefer discussion to argument. > But discussion with someone who is consiste

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Peter wrote: --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 12/27/05 2:05 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually do perceive the deity associated with your mantra. Sure.  But is it an actual per

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/28/05 7:05 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> John Cowhig now has a job walking around in the forest looking for > pieces of >> wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a nice job to me. >> > > Who does he work for? Don't know. Yahoo! Groups S

[FairfieldLife] TMO legal savvy

2005-12-28 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > If anything, the TMO does have legal savvy. The other day I clicked on an ad for meditation instruction that came up with a Google search, and the site is being harassed by the TMO's lawyer. Is it legal savvy to claim tr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/27/05 5:54 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Maharishi always said, and we said in lectures, that you could transcend on any sound but that the mantras, due to their life-supporting vibratory quality, provi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they had visual forms of their devatas in their rooms. Were they instructed to have them? To s

Re: [FairfieldLife] TMO legal savvy

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] If anything, the TMO does have legal savvy. The other day I clicked on an ad for meditation instruction that came up with a Google search, and the site is being harassed b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they had visual forms of their devatas in their rooms.Were they instructed to have them? That was unclear. They were all on puja altars. To sub

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And Judy's an old windbag who doesn't understand > > > that her defintion of 'dishonesty' is 'anything > > > that'll allow me to argue with someone in public.' > > > No *wonder* nobody really cares. :-) > > > > A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Sal Sunshine
Well, my only point was is that there often is a huge gap between what the TMO says, and what is reality. And lawsuits or not, I think it's not a real good idea to trust them without verifying, especially on such crucial matters as health. Add to that, and this is simply an observation, that a

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread feste37
Nice. Here's my story. When I started TM in the 1960s I was a high school dropout, smoking 20 cigarettes a day, drinking, working in a dead-end office job. You could say I was heading for a life of exceptional mediocrity. Within 4 months of starting TM (which cost me one week's wages, by the w

FW: [FairfieldLife] Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FW: [FairfieldLife] Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content Comment from Blaine Watson, who is working with Vaidya Mishra in Canada: thanks. Vaidya Mishra has repeatedly warned us about these preparations. it stems from the buddhist era when the t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exactly. The timidity of people who have been taught > to believe the "experts" rather than trust their own > experience is continually frustrating. I find myself > wondering whether these folks will *ever* learn to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Sal Sunshine
That should have read: Do you really think they have legal savvy? I guess I just haven't seen much over the years, but then again I'm not really sure what to look for. They seem to try and get away with whatever and however much they can. On Dec 28, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > A

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Marek Reavis
Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they had visual > >> forms of their d

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
I didn't notice any particularly dramatic changes after starting TM, but my father apparently did. A lifelong, card-carrying Americans for Democratic Action liberal, he declared that henceforward he would vote for any politician who practiced TM, *even if s/he were a Republican*. You'd have had t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/28/05 8:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was last at South Fallsburg with Purusha, they ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/28/05 10:09 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I didn't notice any particularly dramatic changes after > starting TM, but my father apparently did. A lifelong, > card-carrying Americans for Democratic Action liberal, > he declared that henceforward he would vote for any > politici

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International on 12/28/05 10:19 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first impession was that they had been instructed in or were doing on their own, 16-limbed worship of their devata (or similar worship). This is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
Well at least you can say they have lawyers--whether they are savvy or not I guess is a relative thing. With everything copyrighted or trademarked and them trying to protect them, I think they are pretty savvy. At least it appears that way--which is not to say I support all this stuff, it seems b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/28/05 10:19 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first impession was that they had been instructed in or were doing on their own, 16-limbed worship of their devata (or similar worship). This is very common in the tradition of the Shankaracha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: > > *words* can't be trusted to express experience > in a way that actually communicates it. And the > deeper and more subtle the experience, the greater > the potential disjunction between the experience > and the translation into words. And yet, and yet... when someone at

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Interesting" linguistic "incongruence" in YS?

2005-12-28 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sort of, but actually perhaps not really... > Concerning the stages of samaadhi. > YS I 43 smRti-parishuddhau svaruupa-shuunyevaarthamaatra- nirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa That seems to be definition of "nirvitarkaa /s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And yet, and yet... when someone attempts > to put his or her experience into words, however > awkward, ungainly and insuffient they may be, there's > something about it that's so genuine that it's compelling,

[FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: > > I've experienced the form and the formless aspect of my TM ishta > mantra. In order for that to manifest however I went to a teacher who > instructed me in how to create the yantra, the visual form of the > devata. The yantra of your devata relates to the aspect of seeing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > This subtle, celestial stuff is absolutely, > > > incredibly, charming, fascinating, mind-blowing when > > > it opens-up, but it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: I've experienced the form and the formless aspect of my TM ishta   mantra. In order for that to manifest however I went to a teacher who   instructed me in how to create the yantra, the visual form of the   devata. The yantra of y

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/28/05 10:09 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I didn't notice any particularly dramatic changes after > > starting TM, but my father apparently did. A lifelong, > > card-carrying Americans for D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This subtle, celestial stuff is absol

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Pete

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/28/05 10:59 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Ended up dying by falling down drunk and > hitting >> his head on the sidewalk. >> > Just curious if you ever sense his presence now that he is gone? The day he died, I didn't know he had died, but I was having an extraordinarily bl

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/28/05 10:09 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I didn't notice any particularly dramatic changes after > > starting TM, but my father apparently did. A lifelong, > > card-carrying Americans for D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And yet, and yet... when someone attempts > > to put his or her experience into words, however > > awkward, ungainly and in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else) on 12/28/05 11:00 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well repeating an ishta mantra is considered mental worship. Transcendence is just trying to unite with that (mental) form. The end result of that worship is that one experi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/28/05 11:31 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear that, Rick, that's very sad. At least > he had some happiness from TM in the meantime. He was one of those troubled geniuses. A gifted professional artist - irrepressively creative in many ways in addition to his

Re: [FairfieldLife] TMO legal savvy

2005-12-28 Thread Bhairitu
Vaj wrote: > > On Dec 28, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> If anything, the TMO does have legal savvy. >> >> >> The other day I clicked on an ad for meditation instruction that came >> up with a Google

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I didn't notice any particularly dramatic changes after > starting TM, but my father apparently did. A lifelong, > card-carrying Americans for Democratic Action liberal, > he declared that henceforward he would vote

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/28/05 11:31 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I'm sorry to hear that, Rick, that's very sad. At least > > he had some happiness from TM in the meantime. > > He was one of those troubled geniu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy Metal Content

2005-12-28 Thread Bhairitu
Vaj wrote: > 3. Canada Restricts Import of Ayurvedic Medicines Due to High Heavy > Metal Content > > www.medindia.net > > CANADA, December 19, 2005: The export of Ayurvedic medicines from > India has suffered a set back following the testing by the Canadian > Government that has revealed ala

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread a_non_moose_ff
How can this guy have experiences of realization and not be the least bit aware of his addiction to being a dishonest, pompous, self- important asshole? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL P

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How I learned TM

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/28/05 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Damn. How *anyone* can handle the horrors of war is > beyond me. You must have to kill part of yourself in > order to be able to kill others. In a sense it's to > his credit--if not his benefit--that he couldn't > handle it. Prob

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How can this guy have experiences of realization and not be > the least bit aware of his addiction to being a dishonest, > pompous, self-important asshole? Ignoring your attempt to start a fight yet again, where

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > How can this guy have experiences of realization and not be > > the least bit aware of his addiction to being a dishonest, >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > How can this guy have experie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:For some fascinating accounts of profound experiences related to Devas, temples, and yogis in India, see Steve Briggs’ new book: India – Mirror of TruthIt contains some really juicy tidbits intermingled with some fun travel adventures. I liked the q

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > > > > How can this guy have experiences of realization and not > > > > > > be the least bit aware of his addiction to being a > > > > > > dishonest, pompous, self-important asshole? > > Because he is having 'experiences of realization', plural. > > Realization is not something that comes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > And yet, and yet... when someo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > How can this guy have experiences of realization and not > > > > > > > be the least bit aware of his addiction to being a > > > > > > > dishonest, pompous, self-important asshole? > > > > Because he is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Cool. If you're claiming to be "Realized," that > > can be your definition of what you're claiming to > > be, eh? I'm not claim

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread amarnath
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How can this guy have experiences of realization and not be the least > bit aware of his addiction to being a dishonest, pompous, self- > important asshole? > Was he having Realization or was he having Experienc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else) on 12/28/05 2:36 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: For some fascinating accounts of profound experiences related to Devas, temples, and yogis in India, see Steve Briggs’ new

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
All experience comes and goes, no matter how sublime, but the source of these experiences, the Awareness, doesn't come and go. By going nowhere, continue to experience having arrived. By not taking one step in any direction, you arrive instantly. You arrive by not going anywhere. Just stay there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Vaj
On Dec 28, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:In Steve’s book you mean?Yes. Have you finished it?Not quite. How about that yogi he met on the mountain above Jyotir Math? Pretty cool. Interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-28 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Cool. If you're claiming to be "Real

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