--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> grate.swan wrote: "And we clearly do not know actions that cause the
> fruits everything or even if all things have a cause and are not
> random. Looking at gravitational and motion effects, physics can
> pretty well predict the effect
thanks. yeah, i can see from experience that the fruits of actions
paradigm that we have been discussing works for other stuff too. as
far as direct cause and effect, e.g. dropping something on your
foot, not really of interest to me.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan
wrote:
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grate.swan wrote: "And we clearly do not know actions that cause the
fruits everything or even if all things have a cause and are not
random. Looking at gravitational and motion effects, physics can
pretty well predict the effect of one pool ball on another. When you
look at the interaction of 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
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>
> > You can't count on the black swan. :)
>
> Actually the unexpected is the only thing we can expect with certainty.
>
Yeah, but the totally unexpected only shows up when totally unexpected
and then it isn't what you would expect. :
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
>
>
> Popper was adamant about the fallacy of induction -- that we
> > cannot prove anything is true -- only that we can prove things to be
> > false. And that new theories m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan
> wrote:
> >
> > If you drop a bowling ball over your foot, do you really have no
> clue
> > as to what the fruit of that action will be? Or if you shoot the
> > bowling ball out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
Popper was adamant about the fallacy of induction -- that we
> cannot prove anything is true -- only that we can prove things to be
> false. And that new theories may replace old ones because they reveal
> cases where the old theory is fal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote:
> Yet "Greens" also tend to be *progressives*. Which means they sign up
> hook, line & sinker to Scientism - the idea that we have some new
> magic called "scientific method" which we can apply to any sphere of
> life (Popper, Kuhn, Duhem,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> >
> > -- but I see it as a gray swan -- given common sense (al quada blew up
> > the basement of the world trade center 10 or so years earlier, and the
> > white house memo that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > > wrote:
> > > I like the passag
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLif
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> I have never quite understood why such pre-medieval
> pre-scientific pre-rational claims below are taken
> seriously and even applauded.
>
> "You have control over action alone (Arjuna), never
> over its fruits"
>
> If you drop a bowlin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > > wrote:
> > > I like the passage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> Obviously we don't know all fruits of all actions. In the vast scheme
> of things the unknowns far out stretch the known -- and the unknown
> lump grows faster than the known. However, the last 400 years have
> increased, enormously, our kn
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > wrote:
> > I like the passage in MMY's Gita where he says you have control
> over
> > action alone, 'ne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> wrote:
> >
> > thanks for the question-- i see what i wrote is confusing- here
i am
> > talking about a devotional life and at the same time saying
don't
> > look for God(dess
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
wrote:
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> thanks for the question-- i see what i wrote is confusing- here i am
> talking about a devotional life and at the same time saying don't
> look for God(dess). the missing piece was that despite what was
> going on in my heart a
thanks for the question-- i see what i wrote is confusing- here i am
talking about a devotional life and at the same time saying don't
look for God(dess). the missing piece was that despite what was
going on in my heart at the time, i didn't run off to join an ashram
(including the TMO), or spe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
wrote:
>
> but as someone said to me so
> many years ago, the way to find God(dess) is to stop looking for Him
> (Her).
>
juxtaposed to:
> sometimes it felt like all of my prayer and the transformation i
> wanted so badly would never hap
i think anyone who suddenly finds themselves awakened to the Self
during activity is going to be seduced by it for a short while. even
to the point of trying to hold onto it. but as someone said to me so
many years ago, the way to find God(dess) is to stop looking for Him
(Her).
so what might
--.Good!; you are including relative + Absolute in a global entity,
what the Nichiren Buddhists call "the true entity of life". So what is
the "true entity"...Being? No. Everybody is a holon, or Holographic
entity, localized in relative space/time through the agency of a
body/mind.
Neo-Advaitins w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I think your point is well
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > > > I think your point is well taken, even though what
> > > > MMY said was on the margins...it was ther
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> > > I think your point is well taken, even though what
> > > MMY said was on the margins...it was there!
> >
> > "On the margins"?? It was a whole section in SBAL,
> > and TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > I think your point is well taken, even though what
> > MMY said was on the margins...it was there!
>
> "On the margins"?? It was a whole section in SBAL,
> and TM teachers certainly heard a lot about it
> during TTC, from what they sa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> >
> > > Have you even known morally lazy meditators? I have,
> > > as if meditation alone was going to transform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
>
> > Have you even known morally lazy meditators? I have,
> > as if meditation alone was going to transform them
> > and almost as if effort was a 'no-no', it's totally
> > absur
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> Have you even known morally lazy meditators? I have,
> as if meditation alone was going to transform them
> and almost as if effort was a 'no-no', it's totally
> absurd what some TM'ers have been lead to think.
> but then I guess withou
yes, even though the practice of TM is as effortless as possible,
the integration of the experience of the transcendent into daily
life is anything but. although many seem to have forgotten about it,
the Maharishi, especially in his earlier sermons, spoke about
dipping the cloth and then engagi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
wrote:
>
> well said. and by engaging this spiritualizing of the will, or
> perhaps combining faith and desire, however we look at it, it grows
> with practice.
>
> i recall when i was younger feeling somewhat tentative and alone in
> m
well said. and by engaging this spiritualizing of the will, or
perhaps combining faith and desire, however we look at it, it grows
with practice.
i recall when i was younger feeling somewhat tentative and alone in
my desire to transform Maya into my life supporting reality.
sometimes it felt
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