[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-17 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] You're just saying it's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:58 PM, authfriend wrote: No, *you're* defining the success of the movement in terms of wealth and influence. *He* defines it as achieving Heaven on Earth, Sat Yuga, the Age of Enlightenment. And he's been hugely successful with that, right, Judy? Heaven on Earth has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:58 PM, authfriend wrote: No, *you're* defining the success of the movement in terms of wealth and influence. *He* defines it as achieving Heaven on Earth, Sat Yuga, the Age of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: How convenient, seeing as how he's done whatever he can to bankrupt the TMO He's bankrupted the TMO?? I thought the complaint was that he'd made it richer than Croesus. No, the complaint has always been he's made *himself* richer than Croesus,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: How convenient, seeing as how he's done whatever he can to bankrupt the TMO He's bankrupted the TMO?? I thought the complaint was that he'd made it richer than

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread markmeredith2002
Don't need to look at marginal cults to find craky whacky ... the fastest growing religion in the US, fundamentalist christianity, has plenty. A republican state senator from Texas recently sent out a mass mailing urging fellow politicians and citizens to read the truth on this site

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:58 PM, authfriend wrote: No, *you're* defining the success of the movement in terms of wealth and influence. *He* defines it as achieving Heaven on Earth, Sat Yuga, the Age of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: How convenient, seeing as how he's done whatever he can to bankrupt the TMO He's bankrupted the TMO?? I thought the complaint was that he'd made it richer than

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
Turq, Great story about Raquel! She did get deeply into hatha yoga and put out those videos where you hold positions for a really long time. It was a tough workout. She showed up as pretty pompous and full of herself under the pressure of Stuttering John of the Howard Stern show. That was an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:36 AM, authfriend wrote: No, the complaint has always been he's made *himself* richer than Croesus, I didn't think that was taken very seriously by anyone but the most rabid and irrational of the TM critics. Which, according to you, are all critics. (Accusations

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:36 AM, authfriend wrote: No, the complaint has always been he's made *himself* richer than Croesus, I didn't think that was taken very seriously by anyone but the most rabid and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread Vaj
On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:36 AM, authfriend wrote: No, the complaint has always been he's made *himself* richer than Croesus, I didn't think that was taken very seriously by anyone but the most rabid and irrational of the TM critics. Which,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: snip You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do that. Viewed from any angle you want to--except, perhaps, your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:36 AM, authfriend wrote: [...] Good. And where do you think those funds go? You're just saying the same thing, but are, once again, unwilling to see what is in front of you. A huge

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do that. Viewed from any angle you want to--except, perhaps, your own--MMY, his family, the TMO, or whomever you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread Vaj
On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do that. Viewed from any angle you want to--except, perhaps, your own--MMY,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do that. Viewed from any angle you want

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread shukra69
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:58 PM, authfriend wrote: No, *you're* defining the success of the movement in terms of wealth and influence.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: snip As to the Maharishi's influence being greater, I think you are on dangerous ground there. L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology claims to be much

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
Well yeah, but it was never really adiscussion on either side. I was merely reacting to Paul's quoting Gurudev about sidhis. That's what a discussion is, Lawson. One party reacting to what another has said or written. What's your take on my question regarding the Maharishi and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
There is a quote from MMY that if L. Ron was in his movement the World Plan would have been achieved years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yeah, but it was never really adiscussion on either side. I was merely reacting to Paul's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a quote from MMY that if L. Ron was in his movement the World Plan would have been achieved years ago. Just for the record, the genesis of this quote is that one of the early TMers (from the Hermit in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: snip As to the Maharishi's influence being greater, I think you are on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to be facetious. How to judge the success of a spiritual master -- at least a mass-market one, such as the Maharishi and L. Ron -- is a thorny issue worthy of discussion. Well yeah, but it was never

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a quote from MMY that if L. Ron was in his movement the World Plan would have been achieved years ago. Due to his organizational abilities. A pointed hint to MMY's own followers that most never got,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yeah, but it was never really adiscussion on either side. I was merely reacting to Paul's quoting Gurudev about sidhis. That's what a discussion is, Lawson. One party reacting to what another has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: There is a quote from MMY that if L. Ron was in his movement the World Plan would have been achieved years ago. Just for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: snip As to the Maharishi's influence being greater, I think you are on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: I don't mean to be facetious. How to judge the success of a spiritual master -- at least a mass-market one, such as the Maharishi and L. Ron --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: I don't mean to be facetious. How to judge the success of a spiritual master

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: I don't mean to be facetious. How to judge the success of a spiritual master --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Well yeah, but it was never really adiscussion on either side. I was merely reacting to Paul's quoting Gurudev about sidhis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
John: It would seem that Scientology has greater support of nature. Perhaps we should all become Scientologists, by that logic. Me: Here is what matters to me in choosing a group. All I've seen in Scientology is Jenna Elfman who is looking kinda tattered lately,and Kristy Ally who is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John: It would seem that Scientology has greater support of nature. Perhaps we should all become Scientologists, by that logic. Me: Here is what matters to me in choosing a group. All I've seen

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line, I don't believe it's possible to discern what is and is not support of nature, so the question just doesn't compute for me. I think Unfathomable is the course of action makes a lot more sense. (That's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread taskcentered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It would seem that Scientology has greater support of nature. Perhaps we should all become Scientologists, by that logic. Bottom line, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You and I disagree on our opinions regarding your master, the Maharishi. He isn't my master. That doesn't make either of us evil. Of course not. I don't believe in evil. Certainly opinions aren't evil. But

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I imagine that you passionately believe in your cause. I don't imagine that you are evil. Likewise, I believe passionately in my cause. I wonder if you can imagine that I draw different conclusions than you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread Peter
MMY's TMO is whacky, but Scientology is completely craky, whacky, daffy! -Peter the Thetan --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John: It would seem that Scientology has greater support of nature. Perhaps we should all become Scientologists, by that logic. Me: Here is what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Well yeah, but it was never really adiscussion on either side. I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread taskcentered
Lawson, Could you expand a little on your thought, please? In what ways do you believe the Maharishi has grown beyond Guru Dev? J. --- John M. Knapp, LMSW TM-Free Blog: 99 44/100% TM Free! Google-bomb the TM Org! Make us #1 on Google when you link to http://tmfree.blogspot.com! --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawson, Could you expand a little on your thought, please? In what ways do you believe the Maharishi has grown beyond Guru Dev? Well, the original context was Paul's posting of Gurudev's comments on siddhis.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread Vaj
On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawson, Could you expand a little on your thought, please? In what ways do you believe the Maharishi has grown beyond Guru Dev? Well, the original context was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Lawson, Could you expand a little on your thought, please? In what ways do you believe the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Lawson, Could you expand a little on your thought, please? In what ways do you believe the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread taskcentered
I agree with you on not being able to judge whether one is more enlightened than the other. I find I know next to nothing about Guru Dev -- other than Paul Mason's work in translating satsangs and one book, which I think was called The Real Thing, which I read many years ago. As to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As to the Maharishi's influence being greater, I think you are on dangerous ground there. L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology claims to be much larger than the Maharishi's movement, although they started around the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you on not being able to judge whether one is more enlightened than the other. I find I know next to nothing about Guru Dev -- other than Paul Mason's work in translating satsangs and one book, which

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis' translated into English http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ Though MMY will never admit it, he surpassed his Master many decades ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Mason
'He combines in himself the knowledge of the Self with the mysterious powers - the siddhis arising out of yogic perfection and hard penances, which he has undergone throughout his life.' - Brahmachari Mahesh, October 1952. Note in particular the words 'yogic perfection'. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'He combines in himself the knowledge of the Self with the mysterious powers - the siddhis arising out of yogic perfection and hard penances, which he has undergone throughout his life.' - Brahmachari Mahesh, October

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Vaj
On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'He combines in himself the knowledge of the Self with the mysterious powers - the siddhis arising out of yogic perfection and hard penances, which he has undergone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'He combines in himself the knowledge of the Self with the mysterious powers - the siddhis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'He combines in himself the knowledge of the Self with the mysterious powers - the siddhis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Mason
You assert that MMY has surpassed Guru Dev. I point out that even fifty years ago MMY perceived Guru Dev to have 'yogic perfection'. Why should he have changed his mind? And why change the subject? It is not my opinion that is in contention it is yours. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You assert that MMY has surpassed Guru Dev. I point out that even fifty years ago MMY perceived Guru Dev to have 'yogic perfection'. Why should he have changed his mind? Who said he'd changed his mind? Not Lawson,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Mason
Ho. Lawson English posting on google group AMT tells us, referring to Guru Dev: 'Like I said on FFL: MMY, though he will never acknowledge the fact, surpassed his Master many decades ago.' 'And I know insider stories that you don't know and couldn't know unless you have Indian friends with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ho. Lawson English posting on google group AMT tells us, referring to Guru Dev: 'Like I said on FFL: MMY, though he will never acknowledge the fact, surpassed his Master many decades ago.' 'And I know insider

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'He combines in himself the knowledge of the Self with the mysterious powers - the siddhis arising

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You assert that MMY has surpassed Guru Dev. I point out that even fifty years ago MMY perceived Guru Dev to have 'yogic perfection'. Why should he have changed his mind? And why change the subject? It is not my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'He combines in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'He combines in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Ho. Lawson English posting on google group AMT tells us, referring to Guru Dev: 'Like I said on FFL: MMY, though he will never

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Ho. Lawson English posting on google group AMT tells us, referring to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Mason
Despite the fact that I come from a society without a guru tradition, I can spot the difference between a spiritual guru and a confidence trickster, in my opinion Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that I come from a society without a guru tradition, I can spot the difference between a spiritual guru and a confidence trickster, in my opinion Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is the latter. Doesn't speak so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Despite the fact that I come from a society without a guru tradition, I can spot the difference between a spiritual guru and a confidence

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Mason
For all we know Mahesh was a perfectly adequate secretary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Despite the fact that I come from a society without a guru tradition, I can spot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Ho. Lawson English posting on google group AMT tells us, referring to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all we know Mahesh was a perfectly adequate secretary. I guess Gurudev agreed with you. snort --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Vaj
Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at Mahesh (as he called him), I suspect he'd be rather disappointed (or even infuriated) at the damage this person, supposedly his student, had done to thousands of human beings. Esp. since he used his name to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all we know Mahesh was a perfectly adequate secretary. Translation: Paul is too much of a coward to take a crack at addressing my point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at Mahesh (as he called him), I suspect he'd be rather disappointed (or even infuriated) at the damage this person, supposedly his student, had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at Mahesh (as he called him), I suspect he'd be rather disappointed (or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at Mahesh (as he called him), What sterness are we talking about? I suspect he'd be rather disappointed (or even infuriated) at the damage

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at Mahesh (as he called him), What sterness are we talking about? Why,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Did Paul surpass Jesus? I don't think so. Would we ever have even heard of Jesus were it not for Paul? I don't think so. Why did God choose Paul? Because he was a nice guy? I don't think so (because Paul was not a nice guy). So, why did God choose Paul?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Lsoma
In a message dated 2/13/2007 8:13:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did Paul surpass Jesus? I don't think so. Would we ever have even heard of Jesus were it not for Paul? I don't think so. Why did God choose Paul? Because he was a nice guy? I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did Paul surpass Jesus? I don't think so. Would we ever have even heard of Jesus were it not for Paul? I don't think so. Why did God choose Paul? Because he was a nice guy?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Lsoma
In a message dated 2/13/2007 7:38:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at Mahesh (as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did Paul surpass Jesus? I don't think so. Would we ever have even heard of Jesus were it not for Paul? I don't think so. Why did God choose Paul? Because

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Given his sexual escapades and the sternness that SBS is known to have leveled at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Here's one for ya. Hubert Dreyfus of UCBerkeley, one of the great living philosophers, tells this story. One of his graduate students (Denise D-G, I assume) once wangled him into getting initiated. During the final night of checking someone made the mistake of asking him what he thought.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'

2007-02-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's one for ya. Hubert Dreyfus of UCBerkeley, one of the great living philosophers, tells this story. One of his graduate students (Denise D-G, I assume) once wangled him into getting initiated. During

  1   2   >