[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: It seems to me that many of the threads in the last few days (as, in fact, many of the threads throughout FFL's whole history) have dealt with the same face-off between Faith and Proof. In the realm of enlightenment,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: -snip- And for some, Faith *IS* enough. They continue to believe today the same stuff they were told 30 or more years ago, and they believe it *without* the benefit of any Proof. And interestingly these people seem to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: They believed Maharishi when he told them that TM produced enlightenment... It's been so long now, that I don't even think you remember what exactly the Marshy said. It's been what, thirty or more years since you even heard the guy speak? According to the Marshy, it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread yifuxero
-This is a form of Neo-Advaitinism, not the Marshy's teachings. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: They believed Maharishi when he told them that TM produced enlightenment... It's been so long now, that I don't even think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: They believed Maharishi when he told them that TM produced enlightenment... It's been so long now, that I don't even think you remember what exactly the Marshy said. It's been what, thirty

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
It is NOT the practice of taking that direction. NOT THE PRACTICE. It is the nature of the mind to move in a direction of greater happiness. The practice is not needed to reach the goal. yifuxero wrote: This is a form of Neo-Advaitinism, not the Marshy's teachings. Shankara, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
It's been so long now, that I don't even think you remember what exactly the Marshy said. It's been what, thirty or more years since you even heard the guy speak? boo wrote: You go and post a quote from Marshy from 37 yrs ago. If in fact you've been listening to the guy

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread yifuxero
--- So Willytex, why is what Shankara said the truth. Lakshmanjoo says (p.105 of Kashmir Shaivism): Vedanta holds that this teaching can only be practiced by worthy people such as brahmins which good qualities. In fact, Samkaracharya holds that Vedanta is meant only for samyasins and not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: -snip- And for some, Faith *IS* enough. They continue to believe today the same stuff they were told 30 or more years ago, and they believe it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
The speech I quoted was from when the Marshy was making sense, boo, before he got all mixed up. But if what the Marshy said back then agrees with Shankara, then I'd go with that, instead of what he said later, when he was old and confused, and talking to King Tony, wouldn't you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread yifuxero
--- Willytex, this is just a play upon mere words. Call it want you want: undoing, unpractice, uncovering;but the practice generally amounts to the same thing: TM, or whatever other technique(s) work best. This is unless one is in the HWL Poonja camp give up all techniques and just BE.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Musings on the trend that unites recent threads -- Faith vs. Proof

2009-01-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
You missed the point: there is no 'practice' that can bring liberation to man. Enlightenment isn't a practice; the enlightened state is not an object of cognition. yifuxero wrote: I've not seen any evidence that going around saying we're already Enlightened helps much... Maybe