--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:35 PM, metoostill wrote:
>
> > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu features large, as you
> > pointed out yourself, proposing meaning, as I had. Vishnu features
> > so large that they are in fact dualists and not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:05 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> >
> > > > > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > > > > features large...
> > > > >
> > > Vaj:
> > > > Shanka
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:05 PM, WillyTex wrote:
>
> > > > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > > > features large...
> > > >
> > Vaj:
> > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > >
> > So, that's why you call him 'Shank
On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > >
> > So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
> >
Vaj:
> He didn't call himself SamkAra...
>
So, why did you call him 'Shankara'?
Because that was the point: Vaishnavism has many fa
> > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > >
> > So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
> >
Vaj:
> He didn't call himself SamkAra...
>
So, why did you call him 'Shankara'?
Shankara - 'Shiva's abode'.
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
Shankara - Shiva
On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:05 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > features large...
> >
Vaj:
> Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
>
So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
No, that's why he signed his name "Narayana". He didn't call himself
> > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > features large...
> >
Vaj:
> Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
>
So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
http://hinduism.iskcon.com/index.htm
On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:03 AM, WillyTex wrote:
> > Well other than to stop reading once one sees
> "Vaishnavas believe " since some will
> realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief
> system, but a number of different belief systems
> centered around Vishnu, the ones who don't know
> that w
On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:35 PM, metoostill wrote:
As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu features large, as you
pointed out yourself, proposing meaning, as I had. Vishnu features
so large that they are in fact dualists and not, like adherents of
advaita, non-dualists.
Shankara was proba
> > Well other than to stop reading once one sees
> "Vaishnavas believe " since some will
> realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief
> system, but a number of different belief systems
> centered around Vishnu, the ones who don't know
> that will think "wow, that's interesting." The
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> > Wow, I wonder if anyone is really going to read what is written below.
>
> Well other than to stop reading once one sees "Vaishnavas believe "
> since some will realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief system, but a
> number of diffe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> > OK, but the the existence of suffering has always been
> > recognized on an empirical basis,
>
> Before we switched epistemological teams it was filtered
> throug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> OK, but the the existence of suffering has always been
> recognized on an empirical basis,
Before we switched epistemological teams it was filtered through ideology like
they do in India: they deserve it, or in the West, it is God's w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > meet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> > >
> > > meetoo:
> > > > Of more interesting to me when I first came to
> > > > know of the differ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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>
>
> > > According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati,
> > > Bhakti Yoga is the 'yoga of devotion'.
> > >
> Vaj:
> > According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati,
> > fingering little girls is where it's at.
> > Apparently, it's just li
> > According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati,
> > Bhakti Yoga is the 'yoga of devotion'.
> >
Vaj:
> According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati,
> fingering little girls is where it's at.
> Apparently, it's just like fingering the
> goddess. After all, this is Texas! Yee ha!
> Jai Guru Dev!
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> > > The depth of the Indian philosophical systems
> > > make western philosophy seem like an ant hill!
> > >
> Curtis:
> > David Hume's "Dialogues on Natural Religion" are
> > the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the
> > intrinsic c
> > The depth of the Indian philosophical systems
> > make western philosophy seem like an ant hill!
> >
Curtis:
> David Hume's "Dialogues on Natural Religion" are
> the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the
> intrinsic contradiction...
>
We are on the same path, Curtis!
The 'intrinsic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> > >
> > > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
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>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> >
> > > While David Hume was magnificent, given that 90% of the known (known at
> > > present) un
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
>
> > While David Hume was magnificent, given that 90% of the known (known at
> > present) universe is dark matter, and 99% of the "known" universe is dark
> > energy (
On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:12 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> Wow, I wonder if anyone is really going to read what is written below.
>
>
Well other than to stop reading once one sees "Vaishnavas believe "
since some will realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief system, but a
number of diff
Wow, I wonder if anyone is really going to read what is written below.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill"
wrote:
> Thanks Ruth, it is an interesting quote, and contains a lot of
illuminating material. Not, for the avoidance of doubt, for the purpose
of criticizing what MMY has sa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> While David Hume was magnificent, given that 90% of the known (known at
> present) universe is dark matter, and 99% of the "known" universe is dark
> energy (or figures equally astonishing), is there any slim possibility that
> Hume's ab
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> (It's Judy, not Rut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > meetoo:
> > > Of more interesting to me when I first came to
> > > know of the differences in the systems...
> > >
> > The depth of the Indian philosop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> >
> > meetoo:
> > > Of more interesting to me when I first came to
> > > know of the differences in the systems...
> > >
> > The depth of the Indian philosophical syste
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
>
>
>
> meetoo:
> > Of more interesting to me when I first came to
> > know of the differences in the systems...
> >
> The depth of the Indian philosophical systems
> make western philosophy seem like an ant hill!
David Hume's "Dialogues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
> >
> > > As to repudiated Vedanta, Prakashanand has commented
> > > of his time as SBS's attendant that SBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
> >
> > > As to repudiated Vedanta, Prakashanand has commented
> > > of his time as SBS's attendant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
>
> > As to repudiated Vedanta, Prakashanand has commented
> > of his time as SBS's attendant that SBS was, while
> > Shankaracharya, still seeking enlightenment, and that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
>
> According to Swami Bhaktivedanta Saraswati:
(Actually, according to Krishna in the Gita, as
translated by Bhaktivedanta.)
> "O Arjuna, the Vedic scriptures deal with the
> subjects in the three modes of the material nature.
> Become
On Mar 6, 2010, at 10:36 AM, WillyTex wrote:
> According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati,
> Bhakti Yoga is the 'yoga of devotion'.
According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati, fingering little girls is where
it's at. Apparently, it's just like fingering the goddess. After all, this is
Texas!
meetoo:
> Of more interesting to me when I first came to
> know of the differences in the systems...
>
The depth of the Indian philosophical systems
make western philosophy seem like an ant hill!
Immanual Kant and Arthur Schopenhauer seem to agree
with many Indian doctrines concerning the noti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
>
> > As to repudiated Vedanta, Prakashanand has commented
> > of his time as SBS's attendant that SBS was, while
> > Shankaracharya, still seeking enlightenment, and that
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
> As to repudiated Vedanta, Prakashanand has commented
> of his time as SBS's attendant that SBS was, while
> Shankaracharya, still seeking enlightenment, and that
> the ideal goal is not jivanmukti but, as you say,
> "inconceivable onenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
>
> metoo:
>
> > ...he later repudiated Vedanta
> >
> Vaishnavas have their own interpretation of
> Vedanta (those who follow the Upanishads).
>
> A Very Brief Outline of the South Asian Systems
> of Philosophy and Heterodox Epistemol
I viewed an interview he did with Ruth Broccoli. I thought he came off pretty
good. As I see it, one can be pretty intent on achieving spiritual liberation.
And I think it is a real goal, and does exist. But once one achieves it, one
may decide to partake of more earthly delights. And I don'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
wrote:
>
> I feel pretty sorry for the guy. His sexual activity I am sure made him a
> better guru. Did he claim to be celibate? If he did, then it's on him. If
> not, it's on his followers. YMMV
Based on the clips posted by h
I would say he must have claimed to be a renunciate. Otherwise his
followers wouldn't have given a damn about any sexual encounters.
Better to be a householder tantric and not a phony holy man.
lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> I feel pretty sorry for the guy. His sexual activity I am sure made h
> > Why does this happen so frequently?
> >
Curtis:
> It comes from their being a lack of an
> actual God behind the idea of him,
>
How would you be knowing if their was an
"actual God behind the idea of him"?
In fact, don't these kinds of events
actually happen because of cause and
effect
metoo:
> ...on the campus of the former TM Radiance
> community there.
>
Next door to the Radiance community, about
a mile away, in Hays County.
> ...he later repudiated Vedanta
>
Vaishnavas have their own interpretation of
Vedanta (those who follow the Upanishads).
Gaudiya Vaishnavism is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill" wrote:
>
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/world/asia/05india.html?scp=1&sq=stampede%20kills%20scores%20in%20india&st=cse
>
> Not sure how to do a tiny url, sorry.
>
http://www.tinyurl.com
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
> Why does this happen so frequently?
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
>
I'm not sure if anyone picked up on this but as a matter of cult trivia this
was at the India ashram of Kripalu Maharaj, th
I feel pretty sorry for the guy. His sexual activity I am sure made him a
better guru. Did he claim to be celibate? If he did, then it's on him. If
not, it's on his followers. YMMV
> And of course even more relevant to FFL if you drop over to Guruphiliac
> you'll find a couple of Indian n
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> > John wrote:
> > > Why does this happen so frequently?
> > >
> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > And
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> John wrote:
> > Why does this happen so frequently?
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
> >
> >
> >
>
> The first sentence says it all:
>
> "A stampede among thousands of poor villagers sc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> John wrote:
> > Why does this happen so frequently?
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
> >
> >
> >
>
> And of course even more relevant to FFL if you drop over to Guruphiliac
> you'll fin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" wrote:
>
>
> I was in the Philippines once when 15 people were crushed or killed trying to
> obtain blessings and healing by touching a religious relic at an annual feast
> day. I had considered attending the event, but the size of the crowd sc
I was in the Philippines once when 15 people were crushed or killed trying to
obtain blessings and healing by touching a religious relic at an annual feast
day. I had considered attending the event, but the size of the crowd scared me.
The problem with large crowds, in my opinion, is that "gro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
> >
> > Why does this happen so frequently?
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
>
>
> It comes from their being a lack of an a
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
> Why does this happen so frequently?
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
>
As a kid, I always thought that tragedies like this were the fulfillment of the
Biblical passage "suffer little children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
> Why does this happen so frequently?
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_re_as/as_india_temple_stampede
It comes from their being a lack of an actual God behind the idea of him, and
from the fact that believing in him doesn't mak
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