Da: John Pendley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Hello everybody,
I'd like to introduce myself and ask for some help. I've
been lurking for
about a week and haven't seen anything aimed low enough that
I could profit
from it--at least not now.
Well, I'm a novice too, and I'm lurking
Jawed wrote:.By vitality I don't merely mean
contrast/black-point/white-point. I also
mean the nature of the tonality of the image. Something related to the
question of gamma and also the inherent S-shaped response that all films
have (so far as I know). So, all the effort I put into
John, it may be that your banding problem is scanner related but usually
banding is a printer problem. If you haven't already done so, read page 73
of your 1270 owners manual. After a year of no problems, I had to align my
print heads to get rid of vertical banding that suddenly started
Ian wrote:
I'm running into people who earnestly tell me that the better grade
flatbeds now do 2400 dpi and are therefore OK for 35mm negs slides.
Ian, I would be asking these earnest folk - do they actually *use* them for
that purpose, and are they (at least) amateur photographers? :-)
I
At 09:44 AM 21/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
I have an Acer ScanWit 2720S and Epson 1270 printer, and I'm using
Photoshop 5.
Ditto here.
...All of the prints I've made so far, color and BW, exhibit excessive
grain. I'm told that it isn't really grain, and I agree that it
probably isn't since it
Shough, Dean wrote:
I was wondering if there is in the market any real camera back vendor; I
think that Imacon, Leaf, CreoScitex, etc. are making 4 and 16 shoots
digital camera backs that can produce indeed files at 4000x6000 pixels,
BUT that size is reached by interpolation!
I
Stan, Leif,
I think you shouldn't use 0% for the white and black point, as this sets the
deepest shadows to 0 and the brightest lights to 255, and may result in
clipping. My usual settings are 0.1% for the black point and 0.5% for the
white point, but I seem to remember a post by Hamrick about
For an estimated 13,000+ UK pounds, I think I would be wanting at least
4Kx4K pixels :-)
Yes, the DCS Pro back is definitely a 16Mp device. Try here for a quick
summary:
http://photo.askey.net/news/0009/00091901kodakproback.asp
Harvey wrote:
But aren't those really just 4000 x 4000
Jawad--
I was just working with this tonight and would give different advice
if using slides. The thing to do is:
(1) Turn off CMS
(2) Select the appropriate film type
(3) scan a Kodak Q60 calibration target (Ektachrome or Kodachrome
depending on the film type of your slides).
(4) Create
I have placed an order for the LS8000 as I like the ICE features of my LS2000.
Have not being able to run any tests to confirm the as mentioned the LS8000
has banding problems Is this a critical defect with this scanner? (except
in fine mode scan)
Does anyone think that Nikon will fix or
Thanks David!
Jack Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
He has used these to bluff his way past x-ray machines in Ireland, a
tough place for security.
I'm amazed. I live in Ireland, fly in and out regularly and have never
been forced to have film X-rayed.
If you think Ireland is tough try Stockholm, Perth
...I'm very frustrated that I can't dodge and burn in BW images. I've
read an article about simulating these functions by using multiple
layers,
but I haven't learned about layers, yet, and the whole thing was over my
head.
Try downloading a demo of Paintshop Pro. There's dodge and burn
Jawed Ashraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out of interest, which scanner are you using?
LS40.
How many bits does Nikonscan deliver? ISTR it's only 8, but the input is
14?
Rob
There is no need to bring film to Sweden, we have excellent labs here. You
can buy professional refrigerated film here. Stockholm offer lots of good
camera shops. The best one is called Kameradoktorn. It's a pro shop, they
have almost everything in stock and they're pretty cheap. Kameradoktorn
Thanks for the offer, Jack, but I'm in Israel, so ordering film
from US is quite cumbersome... :-)
Regards,
Alex Z
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Being new to the group, I've missed previous discussions. Thanks for the
info and broadening my perspective (by about 6 stops)!
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:35 AM
Subject: filmscanners: Negs vs
Ireland...
Love that country. Visited it in 1998 for two weeks, walking all over
Dublin, driving to the west coast to Galway. Shoot about 12-15 rolls.
Should you ever visit Israel, just write me a few words. I'll point you out
to high-quality, reliable labs and a few pro photo shops where you
No, the Kodak back does not use interpolation to achieve 4k x 4k
But aren't those really just 4000 x 4000 *sensors* (not pixels), and since
each pixel is made up of an R, G
B (and usually an extra G) sensor, it would mean that it's really just 1000
x 1000...the rest is
interpolation.
Mike.
Photo net would be a good site to post this message. It is very widely used
by pro and amateur photographers all round the world. Here's a link to the
forums:
http://www.photo.net/community/forums.tcl
I recently returned form Munich and the German security was the toughest I
have ever
Have not being able to run any tests to confirm the as
mentioned the LS8000
has banding problems Is this a critical defect with this
scanner? (except
in fine mode scan)
Yes, it is
Does anyone think that Nikon will fix or can it be rectified
with Firmware or software?
I was
At 02:29 22-11-01 +, Jawed Ashraf wrote:
[Justification for filmscanners posting: GIMP functionality for editing
photos as compared with Photoshop]
K, people, I'm curious if anyone here is using GIMP for Windows and whether
it's any good and whether it handles all of our common tasks with
Where could I find a reference pic showing this banding or
could someone email me a sample (small) please.
http://www.lwsphoto.com/banding.htm
Should I go ahead with the purchase? or buy a SS120 and
forget the ICE.
Rob
Try
scanning directly on the glass with the emulsion side down to avoid Newton's
rings. This was reported to work with the Epson Perfection 2450. See www.virtualtraveler.org/epson2450p2.htm
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Herb Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked:
I'm leaving for my vacation soon, and although I'd like to evaluate my
camera equipment against various films, film processing and digital
post-processing, there's really no time. I'd like to solicit this
group's recommendations for the best out-of-the-box
The following is taken from VueScan's help file. It seems to me that BW points of 0%
should leave all of the pixels in the scan. (Having said that, when looking at a
histogram, it does seem that some pixels either go beyond the black point or there are
a mumber of pixels _at_ the black
Hi Pat,
You are correct, I was mistaken, please see below:
Film and the U.S. Mail (10/01)
The following is a paraphrased condensed version of a recent announcement
from PPA: The United States Postal Service has announced that it is
installing irradiation equipment to sterilize mail. While the
Does anyone think that Nikon will fix or can it be rectified
with Firmware or software?
I was told by a senior manager at Nikon that it would not be fixed in
this scanner. That's why I bought a drum scanner (an amazing machine)
and nikon took my 8000 back.
I hate to say it this way, but
What information can you reference that says that? Their brochure shows it
as a single sensor, not three sensors and a beam splitter. If that is true,
then it either take three successive shots, using different color filters
for each shot, or it is NOT a true 4k x 4k pixel back, but a 4k x 4k
Have you tried converting to LAB and then adjusting the curve in the L channel only?
See the last section of http://www.ledet.com/margulis/LABCorrection.pdf
Maris
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From: Jawed Ashraf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:00 AM
I hate to say it this way, but that is just SO pathetic! From what I
understand, fixing it would require a firmware modification to both
calibrate three lines instead of one, and then to use three calibration
lines instead of one. Having written a LOT of embedded firmware, and
designed
Lawrence. Curious. I have seen exactly the same banding on my Artixscan 400T
when scanning one set of Kodachrome 64 slides, all being of the same
subject. But not on any other slides. Leif.
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That vuescan text (below) states that the black point determination uses the histogram
of each color -- three histograms. Might the combination of color balance / neutral
and black point computation result in one or two color channels with pixels below the
calculated (luminance) black point?
I wonder if there is anyone who has experience of the Sprintscan 120 from
Polaroid? In particular, how does it compare with Nikon 8000 ED?
Are there any pitfalls about attaching this scanner to a fairly normal PC?
George Harrison
My wife and I toured the UK in 1975, and I have numerous slides and negatives
from the trip. Because of the lapse of years, I am unable to identify certain
images that I am now scanning. I would appreciate if some of the UK regulars
who get around the country would be willing to have me send
I just got done with a 2 week trip through Europe. I did the bit of mixing
various film speeds including Provia 1600 marked as Push 3200. I had no
hassles at SeaTac, OHare, Charles-DeGaulle intra-europe, Munich
intra-europe, Turin intra-Europe. But at CDG headed for the USA I almost
lost all of
This is a very unpopular point of view, but my thoughts exactly. I try, I
upgrade, I mess around for a while finding out what has changed, I lose a
scan or two due to overwriting or wrong settings, I do a perfect scan and
find it is no better than I get from Nikonscan with much less effort
Thanks Lawrence
Thats not good if big enlargements are required and I don't think that I
could put up with that. Ill contact Nikon (Maxwells) now and see if they
have come up with a fix or intend to come up with a fix.
Should be interesting. Ill post there reply.
Rob
Lawrence wrote:
Where
Austin wrote:
...
I would conclude, without any
further information, that is does use a color quad, and does interpolate the
color information as was speculated in the other post.
BTW, it would be 2000 x 2000, not 1000 x 1000... ;-)
So, pro photographers are being asked to pay an extortionate
only guess is there is something else that prohibits them from fixing
it...what, I don't know... Did they happen to mention WHY they won't fix
it?
Austin,
I was never able to get a straight answer from them. Big surprise ;-0
Seemed pretty lame to me too...
Lawrence
The following
Thats not good if big enlargements are required and I don't think that I
could put up with that. Ill contact Nikon (Maxwells) now and see if they
have come up with a fix or intend to come up with a fix.
I have an 8000 and I've had banding on maybe half a dozen images out of
hundreds scanned.
Karl Schulmeisters wrote:
Their comment: Get a Film Bag so that everything can go trough the
scanner...
I think that they can pump up the dose and see through the bags as well if they
look suspicious.
rob
Mark T. wrote:
Austin wrote:
...
I would conclude, without any
further information, that is does use a color quad, and does interpolate the
color information as was speculated in the other post.
BTW, it would be 2000 x 2000, not 1000 x 1000... ;-)
So, pro photographers are being asked
kmh wrote:
No, the Kodak back does not use interpolation to achieve 4k x 4k
But aren't those really just 4000 x 4000 *sensors* (not pixels), and since
each pixel is made up of an R, G
B (and usually an extra G) sensor, it would mean that it's really just 1000
x 1000...the rest is
Yes. L is quite interesting. A big move with L gets you funny colours too.
You end up having to balance a contrast change in both the L channel and the
R, G, B channel to get colour that doesn't go totally wonky.
Jawed
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No, from the LS40, Nikon Scan will deliver 12 bits inside a 16-bit file.
Jawed
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Subject: Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan vs Vuescan
Oh I agree. It is a real struggle for me to get anything I'm happy with.
And as I said before, it isn't merely about contrast but about tonality.
Setting Color|white point and Gamma is equivalent, in Photoshop terms, to
using Auto Levels and the grey dropper. Those are techniques I gave up long
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Sent: 22 November 2001 15:13
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Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan clipping flat images
The following is taken from VueScan's help file. It seems to me
that BW
The L channel should not change colors - it is Luminosity only. The A B channels
contain the colors, so I'm mystified by what your are seeing!
Maris
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From: Jawed Ashraf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:14 PM
Subject: RE:
My Dimage 7 digicam syncs at all shutter speeds upto 1/2000th (which is the
fastest the camera's shutter can operate).
There is a mechanical shutter inside the camera. This is used to stop light
getting to the CCD while the data is being read out of it. If light falls
on the CCD during the
--- Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
or it is NOT a true 4k x 4k pixel back, but a 4k x 4k
sensor
back.
Depends on how the advertiser defines a pixel ... ;)
Yeah, I've thought about that...and I don't know any definition of color
pixels that only includes one of the three
My Olympus E-20 digicam does the same -- syncs up to 1/2000.
Then again, so does my Olympus OM-4T 35mm camera with the F280 flash.
Tom
From: Jawed Ashraf
My Dimage 7 digicam syncs at all shutter speeds upto 1/2000th (which is
the
fastest the camera's shutter can operate).
snip
Jawed
I think the idea is that since the bag will block say 50% of the photons,
that in essence it is like running the film through a machine 1/2 as strong
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:49 PM
Subject: Re:
At 10:29 AM +1030 11/23/01, Mark T. wrote:
I understand your concerns and explanation of sensor operation, but
if the DCS Pro really only gives a 'true' 4Mp, surely the ouput will
give the game away - no-one in their right mind would pay that much
for it. I must be missing something obvious..
Jawed wrote:
No, from the LS40, Nikon Scan will deliver 12 bits
inside a 16-bit file.
That would certainly make Nikonscan useful! :)
Rob
Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wordweb.com
Jawed wrote:
I would agree with this. The intention is quite
clearly to make the data fill the range of possible
values. For reasons analogous to the use of 16-bit
scans (really 10, 12 or 14 bits, generally): to
maximise tonal smoothness and provide resilience
under further editing.
Sorry, that should be 'chrominance', not 'chromanance'.
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At 11:32 PM -0400 11/22/01, Roger Smith wrote:
At 10:29 AM +1030 11/23/01, Mark T. wrote:
I understand your concerns and explanation of sensor operation, but
if the DCS Pro really only gives a 'true' 4Mp, surely the ouput
will give the game away - no-one in their right mind would pay that
much
George,
There are links to several reviews from the following Polaroid web page.
http://home.polaroid.co.uk/sprintscan/
Additionally Ian Lyons has done a review on his web page.
www.computer-darkroom.com
David
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Sent:
Roger Smith wrote:
At 10:29 AM +1030 11/23/01, Mark T. wrote:
I understand your concerns and explanation of sensor operation, but
if the DCS Pro really only gives a 'true' 4Mp, surely the ouput will
give the game away - no-one in their right mind would pay that much
for it. I must be
I think the brightness range of transparency films has improved a lot over
that. 15 years ago, I ran some zone type tests with transparency
(EXTACHROME should any one care). Essentially, I metered a evenly lit,
evenly toned surface ( a gray garage door for me back then). The meter
wants to
On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:43:16 -0800, Karl Schulmeisters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the idea is that since the bag will block say 50% of the photons,
that in essence it is like running the film through a machine 1/2 as strong
And if they double the intensity of the beam? Time to switch to
That's interesting - I got my figures by looking at the characteristic
curves of some Kodak films - see for example
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/products/techInfo/e2509/e2509.shtml
(royal gold 400) and comparing with some slide film - see for example
Try it. The colour channels, of course, don't change. But a change of
intensity combined with no change in saturation ultimately leads to a
perceived change of colour if the change is large enough. This can be
really ugly.
Or, quite lovely:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=406033
I would third the suggestion to use Yahoogroups. It offers web-based,
*threaded*, reading. A comprehensive search facility.
Yahoogroups offers a method of uploading, in bulk, a text file of all email
addresses that require registration (though to register 1500+ would require
cooperation from
Can I suggest you scan the slide using the following settings:
Device tab:
Media type: Image
Color tab:
Color balance: None
Use an up-to-date version of Vuescan, as I believe Ed has corrected problems
with the shape of the curve that the software uses to extract shadow detail.
Unfortunately I
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