On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:39:43 -0800, you wrote:
>(Another aspect of this is that the inclusion of more or less
>straight eighths is to enrich the rhythmic palette, so that the shift
>between the straight and triplet feel becomes another element of
>expression. Bill Evans' playing is full of this
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:25 PM, John Howell wrote:
"Polka Dots" isn't meant to swing and can't, unless
the original style is completely replaced and the original feel
distorted.
I dunno if I agree with that. The Sinatra/Dorsey version may not be
the original recording of this song, bu
Darcy wrote:
>
>Depending on the player, the
>accents may fool you into thinking that the rhythm is more triplety
>than it really is, but if you really listen carefully, you will realize
>that Chuck ain't lying when he tells you that rhythmically, continuous
>eighth notes in jazz are played very mu
Andrew Stiller wrote:
>
>My concern is with revivals of classic musicals (the only ones worth
>attending, in my recent experience) which were written for full
>string sections that are just not to be heard on Broadway anymore. I
>went to see _On the Town_ when it was revived a while back, and was
>
The "swing" issue is an important one in distinguishing the gap
between notation and performance, and points up issues involved in
the other TAN discussion taking place at the moment.
Mark Lew used an interesting pair of examples to indicate how he
experiences "swing" performances of popular mu
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:29 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
How do they get that long-short feeling then? Or are my ears
deceiving me and all those recordings I've heard of all the big bands
are really playing even 8th-notes?
You tell me -- go check out how Basie's band actually plays the
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:19 AM, Mark D. Lew wrote:
I was thinking mostly in terms of what is more likely to result in a
better
performance right now. I wasn't thinking about what contributes to the
long-term growth of musicians.
Sure, but I think my advice works in both situations.
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On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 05:15 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 9:23 PM -0500 3/05/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
The scales only fell from my ears relatively recently, because I
finally had a teacher who had been around long enough to know how
jazz eighths are actually played, and he kep
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At 9:23 PM -0500 3/05/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
The scales only fell from my ears relatively recently, because I
finally had a teacher who had been around long enough to know how
jazz eighths are actually played, and he kept after me and wouldn't
let me get away with the bullshit swing feel t
At 7:46 PM -0500 3/05/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I can relate to the visceral feeling of abuse Andrew reports -- over
the holidays, back in Vancouver my parents took me to a
much-acclaimed local production of West Side Story.
(snip)
Trying to reproduce all the parts on two synthesizers was the
At 1:29 PM -0800 3/05/03, Chuck Israels wrote:
Darcy Argue wrote:
Even in an amateur situation -- *especially* in an amateur situation --
my experience is that the triplet indication just makes things
worse. IMO, you would be better to tell them *not* to try to swing
the eighth
notes in an exagg
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 08:41 PM, John Bell wrote:
For goodness' sake is it necessary to debate this at such length?
If this discussion has gone on too long for your taste, than why on
earth did you quote *the entire thread* in your reply?
Musicians who see
Chuck Israels wrote:
Darcy Argue wrote:
Even in an amateur situation -- *especially* in an amateur situation --
my experience is that the triplet indication just makes things worse.
IMO, you would be better to tell them *not* to try to swing the eighth
notes in an exaggerated manner. The only
At 9:23 PM 03/05/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Mark, you will have to take my word for it that this marking actually
>does make a huge difference to the development of young jazz musicians.
> Even the enthusiastic and talented ones take years to outgrow the
>knee-jerk uneven eighth feel they were
At 5:41 PM 03/05/03, John Bell wrote:
>For goodness' sake is it necessary to debate this at such length?
Of course it's not necessary, but this is a forum for debates and some of
us like to make use of it. I feel like this was a healthy debate, and I for
one learned from it.
>Musicians who see t
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