Re: TAN: Anomalies in 'Le Sacre...' Score (was Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display)

2002-10-14 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 11:05 PM 10/14/02, shirling & neueweise wrote: << a look at the two piano reduction - by igor himself - would likely clear up the confusion regarding 'proper' register in at least some of the cases. >> I don't think there's any confusion about the intended register. It's quite clear what he w

Re: TAN: Anomalies in 'Le Sacre...' Score (was Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display)

2002-10-14 Thread Mark D. Lew
I checked with a colleague who has conducted the piece. He confirmed that our interpretation of the flute part is correct. (Rereading your note, Colin, I believe you were describing the same thing I was, but in different words). As for the bass clarinet part, he tells me that Stravinsky went bac

Re: TAN: Anomalies in 'Le Sacre...' Score (was Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display)

2002-10-13 Thread Robert Patterson
Not so much an anomaly, but another controversy (at least in the horn world) is the question of which octave the "Tenor Tuba" parts sound in. (These parts are actually played on Wagner Tube by the 7th and 8th horn players.) Some people say the Tenor Tubas should be in unison with the Bass Tubas. O

[Finale] Re: TAN: Anomalies in 'Le Sacre...' Score (was Re: [Finale]Clef refuses to display)

2002-10-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:58 AM 10/13/02, Mark D. Lew wrote: >At 11:47 PM 10/12/02, Colin Broom wrote: > >>Ok, I'll come clean. For reasons that are too uninteresting to explain, >>I've been putting the Introduction of Part 1 of of Stravinsky's 'The Rite of >>Spring' into Finale. Suffice to say it's related to

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 2002/10/12 10:04 PM or thereabouts, Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > I've explained this to the list, it feels like, over and over and > over. Whay doesn't it stick? Make a sampler, people! Put it on your > wall: > > X X X GERMAN BASS CLARINETS USE THE BASS CLEF X X X Oh, well,

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Andrew Stiller
> [John Blane:] (although I am unclear as to why you would show a bass clef for this instrument). "The Technique of Orchestration" by Kent Wheeler Kennan, if I remember correctly (it's not handy to check now) states that either the treble clef or bass clef can be used for notating music

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Javier Ruiz
A bass clef for bass clarinet is also used in those scores in concert pitch. I am asked to do that all the time. After I have to prepare the part in transposed G-clef, and of course I have to correct all the overlapping problems. Also I have seen that in the pieces for soprano, guitar, and clarine

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:34 PM 10/12/02 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: >the bass clef is no longer a viable option for bass clarinet >parts. However, for a chamber group two years ago, I was asked to make sure the b.c. part was in bass clef at sounding pitch, not treble clef. But it was a b.c.-only player, not a cl

TAN: Anomalies in 'Le Sacre...' Score (was Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display)

2002-10-12 Thread Colin Broom
- Original Message - From: "Mark D. Lew > It's possible that there is some good reason to be using the bass clef that > you're unaware of. Ok, I'll come clean. For reasons that are too uninteresting to explain, I've been putting the Introduction of Part 1 of of Stravinsky's 'The Rite of

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread David H. Bailey
Traditionally bass clarinetists read music in treble clef, sounding a major 9th lower, so that soprano clarinetists can simply pick up a bass clarinet and start playing. It gets back to the whole transposing instrument thing, where the music has to be transposed so the player can simply switch

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread JohnBlane
In a message dated 10/12/02 5:13:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << if it is in bass clef, it is played a major 2nd lower. Considering the pitch range of the instrument, I would have thought the bass clef to be the better choice, and the one I would prefer.>> Don't you mean "sounds" a major

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 2002/10/12 06:05 PM or thereabouts, Michael Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > [John Blane:] > >> (although I am unclear as >> to why you would show a bass clef for this instrument). > > "The Technique of Orchestration" by Kent Wheeler Kennan, if I remember > correctly (it's not handy to

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Michael Edwards
[John Blane:] >(although I am unclear as >to why you would show a bass clef for this instrument). "The Technique of Orchestration" by Kent Wheeler Kennan, if I remember correctly (it's not handy to check now) states that either the treble clef or bass clef can be used for notating music for

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 10:20 PM 10/12/02, Colin Broom wrote: >Aha! That did it. Thanks. As to your thoughts regarding using bass clef >for bass clarinet, I thought the same thing, but I'm just following the >score - it's not my music. Just a thought to share with people here, no ax to grind: Isn't it a shame tha

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Colin Broom
- Original Message - > This transposition includes a "Set to clef" setting (in the tranposition > section of the staff attributes) which has locked this staff to treble clef. > Uncheck this option and your bass clef will appear (although I am unclear as > to why you would show a bass clef

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Raimund Lintzen
Colin, have a look into db staff attributes/staff transposition. Surely there is 'Set to clef' + treble clef enabled. If you want to have clef changes - disable 'Set to clef'. Best wishes Raimund Lintzen Colin Broom schrieb: > Ok, this is a new one on me. I'm putting in a bass clarinet part

Re: [Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread JohnBlane
In a message dated 10/12/02 3:53:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Ok, this is a new one on me. I'm putting in a bass clarinet part at the moment (in transposed pitch), and I can't seem to insert a bass clef in one particular bar. It just seems to refuse to display, no matter what settings

[Finale] Clef refuses to display

2002-10-12 Thread Colin Broom
Ok, this is a new one on me. I'm putting in a bass clarinet part at the moment (in transposed pitch), and I can't seem to insert a bass clef in one particular bar. It just seems to refuse to display, no matter what settings I choose, even if I have"Always show Clef", or place the clef before or a