Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-29 Thread Jari Williamsson
Aaron Sherber writes: > The latency I was seeing went far beyond "incovenience". Since it's not consistent on your system, it seems like you're talking about a different and more serious issue here. If you experience it sometime in the future, please check if you've run SoftSynth playback pr

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Phil Daley
At 04:57 PM 8/28/2003, Aaron Sherber wrote: >Yes, but not good ones. An app like this should be able to run not just on >brand-new hardware, but on some reasonable collection of recent hardware, >so that you don't require much of your user base to upgrade hardware in >order to use your software. A

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:19 PM 8/28/2003, Richard Huggins wrote: >I'm happy for Simple's improvements, but really...this isn't a Simple vs. >Speedy war! Anytime one feature of Finale is made better, easier to use, >faster, more convenient, and such it benefits all of us and MM as well, as >it makes the product that m

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Tyler Turner
And all I suggest is that you give it some time. I look at the keyboard/screen less in Simple now than I ever did in Speedy. It's not hard to get used to spotting intervals greater than a 4th. Furthermore, since it's playing each note as you enter it, if you do make a mistake, you'll hear it and yo

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:14 PM 8/28/2003, Tyler Turner wrote: >When you press a pitch key in simple entry, it chooses >the octave for that pitch which is closest to the last >entered pitch. Since the largest interval in London >Bridges is a Perfect 4th, it will guess correctly >every time in this example. Yes, I see

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Tyler Turner
I think we're not on the same page here. Your London Bridges example makes me think you haven't quite seen what's happening in the new Simple entry yet. There would be no octave switching in that example (assuming we're both just talking about the melody - I wouldn't know which harmony you're refe

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:17 AM 8/28/2003, Jari Williamsson wrote: >Aaron Sherber writes: > >>But this doesn't change my basic point, which is that my >> current hardware is far from obsolete, and there's no >> reason why an app written today should >> not run just fine on it. > >Of course there are reasons!!! Yes, bu

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:44 PM 8/28/2003, Tyler Turner wrote: >Yes, if the notes constantly change rhythms and are >continuously jumping octaves, you have a situation >where Speedy is faster. But this is extremely uncommon >in the music I've seen. I would say the truth is somewhere in the middle. Most music is not ma

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Richard Huggins
I'm happy for Simple's improvements, but really...this isn't a Simple vs. Speedy war! Anytime one feature of Finale is made better, easier to use, faster, more convenient, and such it benefits all of us and MM as well, as it makes the product that much superior and worth using and certainly expands

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Aaron Sherber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 11:41 PM 8/27/2003, Tyler Turner wrote: > >Actually for your example it's the same number of > >keystrokes. In Speedy Entry you press the pitch > key > >and then the rhythm key for each note. In Simple > Entry > >you press the octave key and th

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Richard Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Tyler Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To give an example, with both Speedy and Simple > Entry, try entering a C scale > > in eighth notes with an eighth rest after each > note. Speedy can't compare to > > Simple in this exercise. > > Ex

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Jari Williamsson
Aaron Sherber writes: >But this doesn't change my basic point, which is that my > current hardware is far from obsolete, and there's no > reason why an app written today should > not run just fine on it. Of course there are reasons!!! > If I were somehow creaking along > on an old 486 and foun

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Richard Huggins
> From: Tyler Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To give an example, with both Speedy and Simple Entry, try entering a C scale > in eighth notes with an eighth rest after each note. Speedy can't compare to > Simple in this exercise. Excuse me, Tyler, but your statement is just not true at all. Did yo

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:51 AM 8/28/2003, Phil Daley wrote: >If it not memory, then it is video card speed. > >I know my Nvidia 128MB card at work on a 3.06GHz P-IV with 1GB RAM is a lot >faster than the old card I have at home on a 450MHz AMDK-II with 256MB RAM. Yes, of course -- I understand that better hardware w

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/28/2003 09:34 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: >Yes, this is true. But I think certainly 256MB RAM, 16MB on the video card, >and a 600MB paging file should be sufficient to allow for movement of >on-screen items without noticeable latency, no? If it not memory, then it is video card speed. I know my

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:21 AM 8/28/2003, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >I don't think Phil could have been talking about the Mac, OS 9 didn't allow >resizable swap files. Yes, Phil corrected me on this off-list. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shs

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.08.2003 14:31 Uhr, Aaron Sherber wrote > At 07:10 AM 8/28/2003, Phil Daley wrote: >> What amount of virtual memory do you have set? >> >> And do you have it set to start at this amount? > > Phil, if I remember correctly, you're a Mac guy (apologies if I'm wrong), > and Win machines handle

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:10 AM 8/28/2003, Phil Daley wrote: >What amount of virtual memory do you have set? > >And do you have it set to start at this amount? Phil, if I remember correctly, you're a Mac guy (apologies if I'm wrong), and Win machines handle virtual memory differently. As it turns out, I have a pagin

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:41 PM 8/27/2003, Tyler Turner wrote: >Actually for your example it's the same number of >keystrokes. In Speedy Entry you press the pitch key >and then the rhythm key for each note. In Simple Entry >you press the octave key and the pitch key for each >note. 2 each. Okay, but if the pitches are

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/27/2003 04:29 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: >For starters, I wouldn't exactly call my system slow, although it is a >couple of years old. It's a PIII 733 with 256 MB RAM, running Win2K -- and >I routinely run all kind of memory and screen-intensive apps (Quark, >Illustrator, etc.) without noticing

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-28 Thread Tyler Turner
> Not as easy as with Speedy, where I have 3 octaves > under my hand. Imagine a > simple pattern in eighth notes alternating two notes > in different octaves. > In Simple, it takes me 2 keystrokes to get each note > (unless I'm missing > something) -- in Speedy only one. Actually for your exam

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-27 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:59 PM 8/27/2003, Jari Williamsson wrote: >Aaron Sherber writes: > >> The new Simple Entry commands are very powerful (and customizable), but >> contrary to Jari's opinion I do not think this is now the entry method of >> choice for those of us working without a MIDI keyboard. > >I did not say

Re: [Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-27 Thread Jari Williamsson
Aaron Sherber writes: > The new Simple Entry commands are very powerful (and customizable), but > contrary to Jari's opinion I do not think this is now the entry method of > choice for those of us working without a MIDI keyboard. I did not say that. I said just for _adding_ new material. > So

[Finale] Disappointed

2003-08-27 Thread Aaron Sherber
Hi all, After waiting eagerly for Fin2004, I find that my first look through leaves me very disappointed. The new Simple Entry commands are very powerful (and customizable), but contrary to Jari's opinion I do not think this is now the entry method of choice for those of us working without a M