Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : How the hell do I....?

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hiro, In Finale 2006, you should no longer be using the keyswitching expressions. You should let HP handle GPO keyswitches. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 30 Jul 2005, at 11:31 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Just to play with it, I followed Wizard to create a test file for GPO

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:16 PM, John Hughes wrote: I can only surmise that for some reason the problem remains with me. Although, for the life of me I can't see any alterative (that works) to the way I have things set up at the moment. Well, how *do* you have things set up at the moment? MIDI

[Finale] Without GPO, is F2006 worth it?

2005-07-30 Thread Craig Parmerlee
A number of people have been disappointed (or even outraged) and the reality of GPO with this release. It is a hack job that is not integrated in any stretch of that word. For people who are willing to spend hours fiddling with their equipment in order to make the most realistic rendering of

Re: [Finale] GPO/non-GPO workflow question

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Jul 2005 at 13:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: One other marginally related question: I read here (or Jari's review, or the Finale web site -- sorry that I can't remember) that GPO outpu

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2005/07/30 / 05:54 PM wrote: >I would much rather see HP opened up so that one could tune the >parameters that are behind the scenes, rather than seeing black-box >enhancements specific to one set of samples. I totally agree with this. More and more I feel NI wants to elimina

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/07/30 / 11:52 PM wrote: >Otherwise why didn't Finale 2005 or 2004 have it? And then, why can't I >select, um, say Battery, or Sonik Synth in Finale? Just to be clear on this, I believe Battery does have its stand-alone version (I run Battery on Win2K instead of Mac because

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/07/30 / 11:52 PM wrote: >So explain then why we didn't have AU support in Digital Performer from >the get go. Or Protools. The reason why anything other than Logic had AU support before Jaguar was because there was no finalized AU spec Apple published. Apple finally got A

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Woohoo, no delays on dragging smart shapes. Wow, I do that...rarely. I use mass mover all the time. Highlighting, copying, transposing, add articulations. This lag is a big deal. Fiskum, Steve wrote: Eric, You are not alone. There are some lagging problems in this release. I have tested

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
A-NO-NE Music wrote: Well, Finale sends MIDI to Vi (virtual instrument), which format can be AU, VST, MAS, RTAS, etc, etc. You seems to be mixing two different protocols. MIDI is MIDI. Finale HP uses CC1 MIDI message when GPO is selected, while it is not a standard (why can't it be the standa

[Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : How the hell do I....?

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Just to play with it, I followed Wizard to create a test file for GPO. Now I want to compare the output with my other samplers by disabling GPO. The stoopid key switch note on messages won't go away. Not only that, they seems to be rapidly repeating themselves so I get huge rattling noise from

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/07/29 / 06:46 PM wrote: >Its an Audio Unit. Go look it up on Apple.com. It's not the same thing >as MIDI. Well, Finale sends MIDI to Vi (virtual instrument), which format can be AU, VST, MAS, RTAS, etc, etc. You seems to be mixing two different protocols. MIDI is MIDI. F

RE: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Title: RE: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance Eric, You are not alone. There are some lagging problems in this release. I have tested a few machines along with my 6 month old laptop a 17", 1.5 Ghz, 2GB Ram, with max. Video card at 128MB, and upgraded to a speeder hard drive. I get the same

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 31 Jul 2005 at 1:38, Simon Troup wrote: > > 1. I think it's a mistake to provide that improvement by tying > > Finale to a particular technology, one that requires Finale to know > > the insides of the technology chosen, instead of treating it like a > > black box with an interface like every e

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2006 installer WARNING!

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Stephen Peters / 2005/07/29 / 01:38 PM wrote: >From descriptions by >others, it sounded like the install of Finale worked fine in that >case. I just found what this means. If user used OSX migration assistant to copy Finale from Panther to Tiger, there will be no offensive directory copied to ap

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Raymond Horton
There is certainly something to what you say. Several years ago I gave my daughter my PC I got in 1997 with a Turtle Beach Pinnacle card. That card had some great sounds - really fine piano, some very good wws, etc. The next several years were a real step backward, and I never understood why

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> 1. I think it's a mistake to provide that improvement by tying Finale > to a particular technology, one that requires Finale to know the > insides of the technology chosen, instead of treating it like a black > box with an interface like every equivalent technology. Like MIDI you mean, we hav

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
One is a Mac Mini. And the other is a Quicksilver 2002 with a Geforce 3 graphics card. I think the Mac Mini supports core graphics. Simon Troup wrote: I see the lag big time on my 933 G4, and a little on my Mini Mac. I have yet to try the PC version. Both Macs are maxed out with ram, and runni

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> I'll bet Gary Garritan is smiling like the Cheshire Cat over that bit > of marketing. He gets a bunch of us to buy GPO for a cut rate, and > we're all thinking we're getting this great bargain. Then, a month > later, MakeMusic announces that GPO is rolled into the next upgrade > of Finale. Wel

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> Indeed. I seriously think this update blows. I don't see any speed > improvements, in fact, I see a lot of things that seem slower, like > highlighting stuff using Mass Mover. I've got speed parity or improvement. Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> I see the lag big time on my 933 G4, and a little on my Mini Mac. I > have yet to try the PC version. Both Macs are maxed out with ram, and > running 10.4.2 Maybe you're not getting the benefit from CoreGraphics? What graphics card do you have? Simon Troup Digital Music Art __

Re: [Finale] Why MIDI import is guesswork for notation programs

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
No to be rude, but I really don't care about MusicXML. I'm dealing with MIDI files. The way most professional sequencers (Digital Performer/Protools/Logic) can shuttle things back and forth. I don't see studio's MusicXML to get stuff out of Digital Performer into Sibelius or Finale. All Final

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> > This has been said elsewhere, but just to be clear: You can get 64 > > instruments. You can instantiate 8 Kontakt players, and each player > > can have 8 instruments. That makes 64. > > If your computer can handle all 8 instances of the Kontakt player. True, but you're going to run into this

Re: [Finale] Why MIDI import is guesswork for notation programs

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Thank you! David W. Fenton wrote: I think you're missing the point. The problems Eric was having with MIDI import have *nothing* to do with notational elements that cannot be included in MIDI files. They have everything to do with Finale's obtuse transcription of MIDI data into notation.

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Perhaps it is just a Mac only thing. I seriously get a noticible lag when I highlight one bar, hold down the shift key, and highlight another bar. This didn't happen in 2005. dhbailey wrote: On my PC I don't notice any such lag. ___ Finale mail

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Sent! I am amazed at the low quality of this release. Seriously. Johannes Gebauer wrote: Yes, I have noticed. Please make sure you send your complaints to Macsupport immediately. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu

Re: [Finale] Why MIDI import is guesswork for notation programs

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 16:44, Michael Good wrote: > Hi Eric, > > > Where is the guess work in MIDI files? > > If MIDI was good enough for music notation, there would have been no > need to invent MusicXML. We invented MusicXML because there was no > adequate way to transfer music notation between app

[Finale] Why MIDI import is guesswork for notation programs

2005-07-30 Thread Michael Good
Hi Eric, > Where is the guess work in MIDI files? If MIDI was good enough for music notation, there would have been no need to invent MusicXML. We invented MusicXML because there was no adequate way to transfer music notation between applications. MIDI's inadequacy for music notation is hardly c

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 16:24, Lon Price wrote: > On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > If you're going to use a different file for playback, why not just > > save your printable score as MIDI then use a sequencer to tweak > > playback? Why use Finale at all for creating a playback

RE: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread ronan
I just finished setting up a symphonic score with 40 instruments, using Finale with the full version of GPO. I have each percussion instrument set to a different channel. Eg, Snare: 67; tamtam = 68, etc. They play back beautifully. BTW, I didn't bother with midi assignments. I left all of them po

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread John Hughes
David, HALLELUJAH! At least someone understands what I am getting at. Many thanks for the kind suggestions you put forth in your previous email. Constructive help is so much nicer than sniping. I shall now go forth and put them into practice. In my own defence, I would like to explain that

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:40 PM 07/30/2005, dhbailey wrote: >Which brings up the question as to why the Ambience Reverb doesn't give >us Room Sizes to choose from, at least on the Windows side of things? >Is that something to be expected in the maintenance release as well? Yes, according to Winsupport. Aaron.

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Lon Price
On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:If you're going to use a different file for playback, why not just  save your printable score as MIDI then use a sequencer to tweak  playback? Why use Finale at all for creating a playback file if  you're going to fork your playback from the printe

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:11 PM 07/30/2005, dhbailey wrote: >Better a product which doesn't work as it should but is shipped when >promised than a product which excels but may be late.  Hogwash. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailma

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Got it, Thanks, Dean On Jul 30, 2005, at 3:46 PM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Darcy: Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow. Under Midi, click on Native Instruments VST Setup. There is a checkbox at the bottom called Ambiance Reverb. There is an e

RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading

2005-07-30 Thread ronan
I stand corrected. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 2:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading On 30 Jul 20

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Yes, I have noticed. Please make sure you send your complaints to Macsupport immediately. Johannes Eric Dannewitz schrieb: Has anyone noticed that Finale 2006 seems slower on a lot of things than 2005 was. For example, if I highlight a bar, then hold shift, then go to another bar, there is a

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yes, I could ... not a problem. It's just that when inputting in soundfont, via Hyperscribe, it's easier to deal with a percussive sound, which I haven't been able to get yet. If I understand your question correctly. Thanks, Dean On Jul 30, 2005, at 3:46 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 30

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Lon Price
On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, dhbailey wrote:n the past, even when there hasn't been much of great import touted in the upgrades, I have found each one I have purchased (every one since I started using version 3.5) to have had significant numbers of small improvements all through the program.  I hav

Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Has anyone noticed that Finale 2006 seems slower on a lot of things than 2005 was. For example, if I highlight a bar, then hold shift, then go to another bar, there is a lag. I didn't have that with Finale 2005. I see the lag big time on my 933 G4, and a little on my Min

[Finale] Tuplets

2005-07-30 Thread Lee Actor
Just to have a break from GPO issues, here's something a little odd I just noticed. I have a passage with 16th-note 6-tuples in some parts, 8th-note triplets in others, and various mixed duple and other rhythms in others. In the "tuple" rhythms, the tuple number is on the beam side, with no brack

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and SmartMusic Accompaniment

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
That really sucks. I have an active subscription to SmartMusic (as the schools around here use it in their music program). Too bad they don't have a standalone player. dhbailey wrote: They've apparently changed this because when I try to play my own music, entered into Finale and saved as

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Darcy: Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow. Under Midi, click on Native Instruments VST Setup. There is a checkbox at the bottom called Ambiance Reverb. There is an edit button next to it. Click the EDIT button and you can then chang

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Indeed. I seriously think this update blows. I don't see any speed improvements, in fact, I see a lot of things that seem slower, like highlighting stuff using Mass Mover. dhbailey wrote: Timetables, Aaron, timetables. Deadlines doth make compromisers of us all. Better a product which doe

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 15:27, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > I thought so myself, and it is on channel 10, but still the piano > sounds. Now, interestingly enough, when I tried Hyperscrive in GPO, > the countoff and click sound was automatically a percussion sound > (kind of like a triangle, I think). Hmm

[Finale] Mac Finale 2006 Performance

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Has anyone noticed that Finale 2006 seems slower on a lot of things than 2005 was. For example, if I highlight a bar, then hold shift, then go to another bar, there is a lag. I didn't have that with Finale 2005. I see the lag big time on my 933 G4, and a little on my Mini Mac. I have yet to tr

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Of course you'd like it to work with MusicXML. Isn't that YOUR company? Where is the guess work in MIDI files? Example, I can do something in Digital Performer, load it into Logic, and it looks the same. Triplets come out as triplets. Etc. But I load the same file into F

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: John, they are exactly the same instruments you heard on the Finale website. If the "unpleasant coloration" was absent there, then you ought not to have anything to complain about. Have you tried the sounds *in context* (i.e., in an ensemble), with HP and Ambience

Re: [Finale] GPO/non-GPO workflow question

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 13:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: [] > > One other marginally related question: I read here (or Jari's > > review, or the Finale web site -- sorry that I can't remember) that > > GPO output is only for the sound that comes out of

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Thanks, Dean On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Simon Troup wrote: Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow. MIDI > Native Instruments AU SetUp > Ambience Reverb > Edit It's at the bottom of the dialog box. Simon Troup Digital Music Art _

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I thought so myself, and it is on channel 10, but still the piano sounds. Now, interestingly enough, when I tried Hyperscrive in GPO, the countoff and click sound was automatically a percussion sound (kind of like a triangle, I think). H .. Dean On Jul 30, 2005, at 3:08 PM, dhbailey wrot

Re: [Finale] Is it just me?

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 13:10, Phil Daley wrote: > At 05:56 PM 7/29/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: > > >Well, you won't encounter the problems unless you persist in using > >your optical drives like removable disks, i.e., the way you could in > >all previous versions of Windows. > > > >Here's the scenari

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
John Hughes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:27 PM, John Hughes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread John Hughes
- Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO On 30 Jul 2005, at 3:02 PM, John Hughes wrote: The trumpet, for a start, sounds absolutely nothing like a trumpet. I am a trumpet

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 8:40, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > On 30/07/05, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am still waiting to be shown why GPO/Kontakt playback is superior. > > A kind member of this list has offered to work on a file of mine to > > show me how to get improved playback via GPO. I

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 11:46 AM 07/30/2005, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > You can get a max of 8 >instruments with the GPO version that comes with Finale 2006? This has been said elsewhere, but just to be clear: You can get 64 instruments. You can instantiate 8 Kontakt players, and each player ca

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 02:11 PM 07/30/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Save as Audio for GPO is not hooked up yet. Well, that's really stupid. I would assume that most people who are using GPO want it to produce demo CDs for others, not just for their own in-house enjoyment. I know there a

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ... just installed 2006 w/out any problems I can detect. Messed around with a couple of instruments in GPO (Eng. Hrn. and Cl.) in a little duet I wrote. I think the quality of the sounds and human playback are excellent, as promised. However, when I added a coupl

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:56 AM, dhbailey wrote: I have an enormous problem with the fact that the majority of my upgrade dollars have gone to something which is problematic to use at best (now we have to prepare THREE files -- one for printing, one for playback via GPO

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 7:37, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 06:56 AM 7/30/05 -0400, dhbailey wrote: > >I'll go further and say that I think MakeMusic has made a huge > >mistake in including any such playback device. > > I agree with you. > > The production of 'human playback' Midi was worthwhile, b

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and SmartMusic Accompaniment

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Ha! Welcome to Smartmusic. Please leave your credit card with MakeMusic. I think you can get around actually buying a subscription. Or you used to. You just won't be able to access the library of smart music. Perhaps they changed this They've apparently chang

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread dhbailey
dennis c. wrote: dhbailey wrote: In any event, the plug-ins for mid-measure repeats work fine, the automatic adjustment of measure numbers when deleting a measure is very nice, but hardly worth the $100 upgrade fee. One wonders why you were in such a hurry to spend these 100 bucks. After

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jul 2005 at 6:56, dhbailey wrote: > now > we have to prepare THREE files -- one for printing, one for playback > via GPO and another playback file to share with others who don't have > machines powerful enough to use GPO. I don't quite understand why you need a file for playback that is d

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow. MIDI > Native Instruments AU SetUp > Ambience Reverb > Edit It's at the bottom of the dialog box. Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.s

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> Where is the guess work in MIDI files? Example, I can do something in > Digital Performer, load it into Logic, and it looks the same. > Triplets come out as triplets. Etc. But I load the same file into > Finale, and the triplet comes out wrong. Hi eric I'm intrigued, if you have a moment send m

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Darcy: Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow. Dean On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jul 2005, at 3:02 PM, John Hughes wrote: The trumpet, for a start, sounds absolutely nothing like a trumpet. I am a trumpet player and the sound I hea

[Finale] Fin2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Henry E. Howey
My Dear Listfriends, As one who (wisely?) sprang for GPO prior to MakeMusic's (MM) 2006 announcement, I would like to add my two cents to what I've read so far. 1. GPO is a lovely set of sounds with really terrible documentation. I know how the percussion works now, I simply cannot imagine how t

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Randolph Peters
In case anyone missed it, you CAN get 128 MIDI channels in the AU/VST option if you use the full Kontakt 2 software. (This is a doubling of what is available with the regular Finale install.) This software is expensive and probably isn't worth it since the amount of RAM and processor speed need

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Of course you'd like it to work with MusicXML. Isn't that YOUR company? Where is the guess work in MIDI files? Example, I can do something in Digital Performer, load it into Logic, and it looks the same. Triplets come out as triplets. Etc. But I load the same file into Finale, and the triplet

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I like the English horn and Oboe in GPO. They soun Darcy James Argue wrote: Everyone's always biased towards their own instrument. Johannes has said that the solo violins sound nothing like solo violins. I'm sure oboe players would say the same of the oboe patch, etc. Again, GPO is a rough

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 3:02 PM, John Hughes wrote: The trumpet, for a start, sounds absolutely nothing like a trumpet. I am a trumpet player and the sound I hear really offends me. Everyone's always biased towards their own instrument. Johannes has said that the solo violins sound nothing like

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
I agree, but for whatever reason, it didn't make the cut for the initial release, and was put off for maintenance. I guess there just wasn't enough time. I'm sure they're working hard on that feature as we speak. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 30 Jul 2005, at 2:58 PM, Aaro

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread John Hughes
- Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:27 PM, John Hughes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mine

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 02:11 PM 07/30/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Save as Audio for GPO is not hooked up yet. Well, that's really stupid. I would assume that most people who are using GPO want it to produce demo CDs for others, not just for their own in-house enjoyment. I know there are workarounds and ways

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 12:34 PM 07/30/2005, Simon Troup wrote: >It looks like I should be able to address 8 banks of 16 instruments, >but I can't figure out how to access, for example, the second tier of >the the first bank (9 to 16). You can't. For whatever reason, and whatever limitation, you can only access the

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:46 AM 07/30/2005, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > You can get a max of 8 >instruments with the GPO version that comes with Finale 2006? This has been said elsewhere, but just to be clear: You can get 64 instruments. You can instantiate 8 Kontakt players, and each player can have 8 instruments. Th

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Ok ... just installed 2006 w/out any problems I can detect. Messed around with a couple of instruments in GPO (Eng. Hrn. and Cl.) in a little duet I wrote. I think the quality of the sounds and human playback are excellent, as promised. However, when I added a couple of more instruments, as

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Disappointing: yes.   Surprising: no.   But thanks very much for the info, Darcy --  Best,   Les   Les MarsdenFounding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony OrchestraMusic and Mariposa?  Ah, Paradise!!!   http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.htmlhttp://www.sierratel.com/mcf/

[Finale] OT: Saxophonist Michael Brecker needs bone marrow donor

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Details here: http://tinyurl.com/d4wrm - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Can anyone tell me if saving as an audio file (in '06) offers the choice of softsynth HP GPO playback - MY choice? Or is it a default over which I'd have no control? Save as Audio for GPO is not hooked up yet. Yes, that's e

Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 1:26 PM, ronan wrote: In the Kontakt player, in the box underneath the CPO Usage box is a happy face? cat? (it's so small I can't make out what it's suppose to be.) Click that and you can assign an input channel to the instrument you have selected. So, yes, you can have Fina

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 11:40 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 30/07/05, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am still waiting to be shown why GPO/Kontakt playback is superior. A kind member of this list has offered to work on a file of mine to show me how to get improved playback via GPO. I am eage

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:34 PM, Simon Troup wrote: You can get a max of 8 instruments with the GPO version that comes with Finale 2006? So, if you happen to do an arrangement that has more than 8 instruments, you are out of luck in using GPO. You'd have to use the soundfonts or Midi. I seem to be

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 11:46 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: You can get a max of 8 instruments with the GPO version that comes with Finale 2006? No. Max 64 channels (and many are keyswitching, so no need to use up separate channels for arco violins and pizz violins. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:22 AM, dhbailey wrote: Having to define expressions specifically to work with GPO playback seems to me to be defeating to the purpose of being able to share files with other Finale users. Once again, you do NOT have to define expressions specifically to work with GPO pla

Re: [Finale] GPO/non-GPO workflow question

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: What is the best way to start a new project in Finale? Setup Wizard. *There are times when I know I'll need GPO, so I'll start up with the GPO wizard There is no "GPO Wizard." There is an option in the Setup Wizard to use GPO Finale Editio

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:56 AM, dhbailey wrote: I have an enormous problem with the fact that the majority of my upgrade dollars have gone to something which is problematic to use at best (now we have to prepare THREE files -- one for printing, one for playback via GPO and another playback file to

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:45 AM, dhbailey wrote: If Finale really wants to impress us, they should have shared some demo files which would have said (through example not just marketing brochure double-speak) "THIS is how fantastic your files can sound!" I agree, it would have been nice if Coda had

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2006 installer WARNING!

2005-07-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Stephen Peters / 2005/07/29 / 01:38 PM wrote: >But this is a matter of testing *other* applications to make >sure that they still worked after the procedure, which I strongly >doubt is part of their test suite. Address Book is a part of OSX, which is not "other" application in this context. Loo

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 7:06 AM, dhbailey wrote: Tyler Turner wrote: Hi Craig, Darcy mentioned it, but I just want to make sure you caught it. For new compositions that you create with the setup wizard, you don't have to do any GPO setup. It's automatically done (and that's a major part of the inte

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:27 PM, John Hughes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mine sound just awful. I bought Fin2006 purely on the promise that I could at last hear my work sound something like real. But I'm afraid I was very disappointed. The s

RE: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving

2005-07-30 Thread ronan
I read in another site that “Save as Audio” will be in a maintenance release.   Ron   Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com   From: Mariposa Symphony Orchestra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 12:12 PM To

RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading

2005-07-30 Thread ronan
In the Kontakt player, in the box underneath the CPO Usage box is a happy face? cat? (it's so small I can't make out what it's suppose to be.) Click that and you can assign an input channel to the instrument you have selected. So, yes, you can have Finale write to Channels 9-16, the have your secon

Re: [Finale] Is it just me?

2005-07-30 Thread Phil Daley
At 05:56 PM 7/29/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:   >Well, you won't encounter the problems unless you persist in using >your optical drives like removable disks, i.e., the way you could in >all previous versions of Windows. > >Here's the scenario that reveals the problems: > >Use commandline XCOPY

RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading

2005-07-30 Thread ronan
No, you can load up to 64 instruments at a time. There are 8 instances of the Kontakt player that can be loaded under Midi set up. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sen

RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading

2005-07-30 Thread ronan
The sound of full GPO compared to Finale/GPO is 100% better. Finale used "generic" sounding instruments, while in Garritan's GPO you get instruments with character. Frankly, I can't tell the difference between Softsynths and the Finale/GPO instruments, but I don't have the best of hearing. Ron Ro

Re: [Finale] Problem accessing user manual

2005-07-30 Thread John Hughes
DAVID, YOU'RE A PRINCE. Your suggestion worked. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your willingness to help fellow Finale strugglers. It must happen so often to members on the list who sometimes reach the point of desperation, when a shining light reaches out to them from another member an

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Michael Good
Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Totally agree. I really think the GPO thing is fluff. I'd rather see > Finale get better at importing Midi files. I hate when a Midi that I've > done in Digital Performer does not come across correctly in Finale. It > happens all the time. It's frustrating, and wastes ti

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Thanks. Dean On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:29 AM, Tyler Turner wrote: --- "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good explanation Tyler ... now, how do you feel about the GPO sounds? Are they as good as the samples provided on the MM site, or not? And if not, what gives? Also, I've just r

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Randolph Peters
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Which is totally an oversight by MakeMusic. I don't know about VST (don't really use it), but I use GPO (full version) with Digital Performer, and I can easily have my cake (Audio Units) and eat it too (and Midi). It doesn't make sense that you can't mix it. You can get

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2k6 Good News/Bad News

2005-07-30 Thread Simon Troup
> You can get a max of 8 instruments with the GPO version that comes > with Finale 2006? So, if you happen to do an arrangement that has > more than 8 instruments, you are out of luck in using GPO. You'd have > to use the soundfonts or Midi. I seem to be able to address 8 banks or 8 instruments (6

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