Re: [Finale] Notes EVERYWHERE

2005-10-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.10.2005 Chuck Israels wrote: I find no disadvantage to having Automatic Update Layout and Automatic Spacing turned on all the time. Perhaps some others may be able to describe circumstances in which it is better to have them off, but I have yet to run into any. I always have

Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item

2005-10-23 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean Are there drivers that need to be installed?

Re: [Finale] changing clefs in bass clarinet

2005-10-23 Thread dhbailey
Raymond Horton wrote: Lon Price wrote: As a woodwind player, the only practical reason that I can see for writing the bass clef for bass clar. is the avoidance of a lot of ledger lines. As a clarinet player, I'm used to seeing 3 ledger lines below the staff, and 4 above. With the

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 22, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: it really reeks havoc with the score spacing. Since I know from your recent posts that you are the kind of guy who hates to use the wrong homophone, I'm sure you won't take it badly when I point out that you

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread dhbailey
keith helgesen wrote: I saw a newspaper(Ausie!)headline recently- *New Orleans batons down the hatches* Gawd- I hate that!! That's because down there, the pronunciation of the city Baton Rouge makes the first word rhyme with batten. People often resort to spelling less familiar words the

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: While the spacing may really have reeked, and havoc may actually have been wrought, the saying in this case is usually, wreck havoc, for which I sfaik the correct past tense is wrecked havoc. No, wreck is often the result from havoc having been wrought. Something

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread dhbailey
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: While I easily found dictionary entries for wreak havoc, play havoc and cry havoc, I didn't find one for wreck havoc. In fact, given the definition of havoc (mayhem, destruction, etc.) the expression wreck havoc doesn't make a lot of sense to

Re(2): [Finale] Jazz version of ChordSuf?

2005-10-23 Thread Leigh Daniels
Bill, I agree and I would buy a Sher-quality chord font from you in a picosecond. And a set of templates for Sher-style charts would be fabulous, too. I *love* the stuff of yours I use now. **Leigh On Sat, Oct 22, 2005, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given your expertise, I'm sure

Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item

2005-10-23 Thread Javier Ruiz
The iMac G5 has 3 USB ports, run the two printers directly and put the hub in the one left. Then plug your other USB devices to the hub (like the keyboard. A MIDI interface can be connected to the USB connector in the keyboard. Hope it helps... Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize

Re: [Finale] changing clefs in bass clarinet

2005-10-23 Thread John Howell
At 7:32 AM -0400 10/23/05, dhbailey wrote: I think the problems of bass clarinets and the use of clefs is exacerbated by the fact that many (most?) professional bass clarinetists use instruments with extended range down to low C, making it possible to run into that extra ledger line below

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread John Howell
At 7:39 AM -0400 10/23/05, dhbailey wrote: But at least it keeps the conversation going, when your fellow guests complain about the language-nazis and how language is evolving and shouldn't be rigidly locked into any one state of existence like Latin is. Actually it was the church, which

[Finale] OT: Stiller Instrumentation Book

2005-10-23 Thread Robert Patterson
Can anyone summarize (or point me to a summary) of the changes in the 2nd edition? In particular, I am interested if there are extensive updates on usage and availability of percussion, since the 1st edition I have (1985) is probably quite dated in such a rapidly changing area. Thanks. --

Re: [Finale] Notes EVERYWHERE

2005-10-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Oct 2005 at 20:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: If you need to manually remove system locks, you can do that in the Mass Edit tool, by pressing cmd-A (or on Windows, ctrl-A) for Select All, and then cmd-U (or, I think, ctrl-U on Windows) to unlock all systems. Then you can manually lock

[Finale] homophones

2005-10-23 Thread Ken Moore
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: While I easily found dictionary entries for wreak havoc, play havoc and cry havoc, I didn't find one for wreck havoc. In fact, given the definition of havoc (mayhem, destruction, etc.) the expression wreck havoc doesn't make a lot of sense

Re: [Finale] Jazz version of ChordSuf?

2005-10-23 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Bill et al, Perhaps Chris, Darcy, Greg Hamilton, and some others can help to come up with a set of a few jazz articulations that most of us need. I use few of them; a fall-off, a scoop up to pitch, and one that indicates a drop and rise in pitch. Something for a brass shake would

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Oct 2005 at 7:43, dhbailey wrote: keith helgesen wrote: I saw a newspaper(Ausie!)headline recently- *New Orleans batons down the hatches* Gawd- I hate that!! That's because down there, the pronunciation of the city Baton Rouge makes the first word rhyme with batten. People often

Re: [Finale] homophones

2005-10-23 Thread Gerald Berg
Or as in my opera lyric for chorus: Mayhem wreaks order! Mayhem wreaks order! Mayhem wreaks order wrecks...? Jerry On 23-Oct-05, at 3:48 PM, Ken Moore wrote: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: While I easily found dictionary entries for wreak havoc, play havoc and

Re: [Finale] Jazz version of ChordSuf?

2005-10-23 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yeah, I too bought the Ash Font, but have rarely used it. I do use the jazz font, but basically only to use the articulations in it, as it does have scoops and what not. I also bought the swing font (www.jazzfont.com), from the author of the Jazz Font. Though, I have found that I don't care

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread Robert Patterson
shudder I wish you had not shown me this website, except that now according to (I believe it was) Mark Lew, I can be the life of any party. David W. Fenton wrote: On 23 Oct 2005 at 7:43, dhbailey wrote: keith helgesen wrote: I saw a newspaper(Ausie!)headline recently- *New Orleans

Re: [Finale] Jazz version of ChordSuf?

2005-10-23 Thread Chuck Israels
On Oct 23, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Yeah, I too bought the Ash Font, but have rarely used it. I do use the jazz font, but basically only to use the articulations in it, as it does have scoops and what not. I also bought the swing font (www.jazzfont.com), from the author of

Re: [Finale] Notes EVERYWHERE

2005-10-23 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 22, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Nothing needs to bounces around with Automatic Update Layout on, so long as you choose the appropriate Update Layout settings for your work (like, for instance, Reflow only within systems). The advantage to leaving Update Layout on is

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 23, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I wish you had not shown me this website, except that now according to (I believe it was) Mark Lew, I can be the life of any party. Not me. I think it was David Bailey. mdl ___ Finale mailing

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 23, 2005, at 4:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Well, baton down the hatches seems to be an Australianism, as if you Google it, a very large proportion of the results are Australian in origin, and none have anything to do with articles about Baton Rouge. This is what's called by linguists

Re: [Finale] changing clefs in bass clarinet

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I be damned ... I have been laboring under the assumption that d concert was the lowest note a b.c. could play without extension. I checked the fingering chart, and you are correct. It's amazing how much I learn from this site. Thanks, Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Robert Patterson

Re: [Finale] Laser printer advice

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Where did you get such cartridge? Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 12:16 AM, dc wrote: Noel Stoutenburg écrit: I would, if I may, offer a word of caution in purchasing a laser printer to use with Finale, based upon the research I did some time ago. Factor into your purchase decision

[Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Chuck Israels
Hard to believe that this is the first time I've encountered a situation in which trill notation is ambiguous, but Anyway, I'm in F minor, and there's a flute trill from G flat, and I want it to trill to A flat. Do I indicate tr natural? or tr flat? Just what do those accidentals on

Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
There are drivers installed, but they may not have been installed while the hub was in use, I can't remember. I'll look into that. I did connect my new laser to the USB port in the keyboard, which I had forgotten about, and it seems happy there, so maybe I'm ok ... but I would still like

Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yeah, that might do the trick ... Thanks, Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Javier Ruiz wrote: The iMac G5 has 3 USB ports, run the two printers directly and put the hub in the one left. Then plug your other USB devices to the hub (like the keyboard. A MIDI interface can be connected to

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Owain Sutton
Chuck Israels wrote: Hard to believe that this is the first time I've encountered a situation in which trill notation is ambiguous, but Anyway, I'm in F minor, and there's a flute trill from G flat, and I want it to trill to A flat. Do I indicate tr natural? or tr flat? Just what

[Finale] Ossia, I think

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? Dean ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Chuck Israels
On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hard to believe that this is the first time I've encountered a situation in which trill notation is ambiguous, but Anyway, I'm in F minor, and there's a flute trill from G flat,

Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item

2005-10-23 Thread Jan Melaerts
Dean, As I recall the USB ports in your keyboard are both first generation usb 1.1 ports. USB 2 ports are lots and lots faster... So I guess that plugging your laserjet into the keyboard will slowdown the entire printing process as soon as you have complex or bigger print tasks...

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Owain Sutton
Chuck Israels wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hard to believe that this is the first time I've encountered a situation in which trill notation is ambiguous, but Anyway, I'm in F minor, and there's a

Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
H more food for thought. Many thanks. Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Jan Melaerts wrote: Dean, As I recall the USB ports in your keyboard are both first generation usb 1.1 ports. USB 2 ports are lots and lots faster... So I guess that plugging your laserjet into the keyboard

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Oct 2005 at 23:15, Owain Sutton wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hard to believe that this is the first time I've encountered a situation in which trill notation is

Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think

2005-10-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Thanks. I'll chew on this for a bit. Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: Well, it certainly depends on the tonal context of the trill, but I'm having a hard time understanding where G flat trilling to G natural (A double flat) would be the default interpretation, or even one of the plausible interpretations. I don't consider a Gb to be

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Darcy James Argue
Chuck, Use TGTools to create a parenthesized trill note. Check the documentation for the how-to -- once you get used to it, it's great. They even play back correctly with Human Playback. The only drawback is that you will need to remember to always repair trill notes after music

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Chuck Israels
On Oct 23, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:Chuck,Use TGTools to create a parenthesized trill note. Check the documentation for the how-to -- once you get used to it, it's great.  They even play back correctly with Human Playback.The only drawback is that you will need to remember to

Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think

2005-10-23 Thread Karen

Re: [Finale] changing clefs in bass clarinet

2005-10-23 Thread Ken Moore
John Howell wrote: There's also another factor that no one has mentioned. Bass clarinet is one thing, but EEb contra-alto is another. Most educational arrangements do not have separate parts for the EEb contra. Therefore, EEb players are stuck reading a concert pitch bass clef part as a

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Karen
I definitely like the cue note approach when in doubt. There is another convention that we use in film music when notes are changing rapidly and are all trilled. Especially where there isn't a given key and it would be extremely time consuming to put cue notes on each note. Tr 1/2 and

Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think

2005-10-23 Thread Carolyn Bremer
Two options for this: 1) Ossia tool as mentioned 2) A new (additional) first bar in the timpani part. Set the next bar (the first real bar of music) to the correct measure number, and start a new staff system, then reduce the right hand margin of the first line accordingly. I prefer to use the

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 23, 2005, at 4:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/about/ Off the above link, here's the baited breath one that someone here (Robert?) paraphrased: The Cruel Clever Cat, by Ogden Nash (I think!) Sally, having eaten cheese, Directs down holes the scented

Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think

2005-10-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? This is not too different from the

Re: [Finale] TAN homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread Don Hart
I watched enough cartoons as a kid to really appreciate this poem. Would an appropriate score for the animation of this poem be The Old Castle from Pictures at an Exhibition? I looked the poem up online at http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm and they credited Geoffrey Taylor. Don

Re: [Finale] homophones (was changing clefs)

2005-10-23 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Off the above link, here's the baited breath one that someone here (Robert?) paraphrased: Ah, my net attribution balance is now restored. That one was me. mdl ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] trill notation question

2005-10-23 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: But if you really want the belt-and-suspenders approach (so your pants REALLY won't fall down!) then tr b would certainly be correct. [...] While I agree that nothing is technically wrong with the tr b notation, I wouldn't call it the

[Finale] Possible new fonts (jazz chords and articulations)

2005-10-23 Thread bill
Hi guys, Chuck, would you like to be my sales rep??? hehehe You are so kind to talk about my stuff the way you do. I had a thought about about a new articulations font: From what I am hearing, there are not a lot of jazz articulations needed, so I am thinking about an all-inclusive