I never meant to imply that one thread is influenced by the other. I'm
just saying that if rap is broadly defined as the general art of rhythmic recitation of
verse -- which I think is a reasonable definition -- then there has been plenty of rap
throughout history besides the current
They may have come before the genre we call rap, but I fail to see
any difference whatsoever in the musical content involved, except for
the underlying musical style. They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the delivery may have definite pitch
contours at times
On 04 Apr 2006, at 3:58 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
The rhythms are complex because there is no discipline.
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
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- Rap and hip hop aren't quite the same thing, ...
Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs
in The Music Man are a form of rap (but not hip hop); while on the
other hand a certain style of clothing might be described as hip hop
(but not rap).
Ah ha! So, there you make a
On Apr 4, 2006, at 12:58 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as time and fine, or other symptoms of illiteracy.
I love assonance. One of the reasons I have
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
OOh! rap is great high art eh?
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On 04 Apr 2006, at 4:38 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
OOh! rap is great high art eh?
Well, that's a separate question (several questions, actually) that's
got nothing to do with what you actually wrote, nor my response.
But enlighten us.
hello Mark,
Thanks for addressing the argument, instead of smart alec comments like a few
others.
I too enjoy assonance. I happen to feel that a lot of the rhymes in rap are not
assonance, but merely close enough. One time there is a perfect rhymne, another time you
dignify it with the
Robert C L Watson wrote:
They may have come before the genre we call rap, but I fail to see
any difference whatsoever in the musical content involved, except for
the underlying musical style. They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the delivery may have
Please tell us which rappers
fit any word and words desired into 4/4 time
without regard to rhythmic placement. Be specific.
It would take up too much bandwidth to list them all
...
:-)
Besides which, this discussion is so far off topic. I'm done.
Do you really mean to assert that Shakespeare or Swinburne never
stretch-ed [2 syllables] words to make them fit?
'twas once upon a time actually pronounced that way.
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On Apr 4, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 4, 2006, at 12:58 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as time and fine, or other symptoms of illiteracy.
On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
More generally, what I love about rap is how it explores the beauty
of the spoken language, in a way that one can't achieve with poetry
or music alone.
Frankly, I have difficulty understanding what they are trying to say.
That
On 4 Apr 2006 at 4:38, Robert C L Watson wrote:
[Darcy, unattributed, saying something with which I wholeheartedly
agree:]
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
OOh! rap is great high art eh?
Some of might be, some of it clearly isn't.
Just like all genres of music.
But of course,
On 4 Apr 2006 at 5:46, Robert C L Watson wrote:
[Darcy, again unattributed:]
Please tell us which rappers
fit any word and words desired into 4/4 time
without regard to rhythmic placement. Be specific.
It would take up too much bandwidth to list them all
Supply ONE example then.
There was a young woman named Bea
Who was stung on the arm by a wasp.
When asked, Does it hurt?
She replied, Yes, it does.
I'm just glad it wasn't a hornet!
Ooh! Ooh! Then we must also quote the immortal:
There was a young lady of Diss
Who went down to the water to swim.
The men in a punt
dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you really mean to assert that Shakespeare or Swinburne never
stretch-ed [2 syllables] words to make them fit? Nor ever contracted
them just to squeeze them in? When did ever become one syllable
e'er I would like to know?
That's not the best example,
At 3:58 AM -0400 4/4/06, Robert C L Watson wrote:
They may have come before the genre we call rap, but I fail to see
any difference whatsoever in the musical content involved, except for
the underlying musical style. They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the
David W. Fenton iterated
It's *not* fine to use specious arguments to claim there's no art
whatsoever in it.
I never said there's no art whatsoever in it. ;-)
That must have been you.
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Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as time and fine, or other symptoms of illiteracy. (Back to
the topic of literacy.) Hardly comparable to sophisticated works
Thanks to all who responded to this. The concensus seems to be that my
first idea was best, so that's how I'll go.
I would like to hear how the Shostakovich is set up though...
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/
On Apr 4, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Thanks to all who responded to this. The concensus seems to be that my
first idea was best, so that's how I'll go.
I would like to hear how the Shostakovich is set up though...
I'm playing it in a couple of weeks, so I will look at the
Hi, just lurking, but had to say this:
I admit it: I don't like rap. I don't understand it.
It is irritating to me. I prefer real music. So there we are back at what
is music.
I don't understand quantum physics. I prefer Newtonian physics. So am I
qualified to dismiss the work of a century's
On Apr 4, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as time and fine, or other symptoms of illiteracy. (Back to
the topic of
On 04 Apr 2006, at 5:46 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Please tell us which rappers
fit any word and words desired into 4/4 time
without regard to rhythmic placement. Be specific.
It would take up too much bandwidth to list them all
Okay, name one.
- Darcy
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Another example comes to mind: the beginning of the third act of
Britten's Midsummer Night's Dream. Here the three part divisi is
written in full in both the 1st and 2nd violin parts.
Michael
On 4 Apr 2006, at 19:25, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Thanks to all who responded to this. The concensus
My favourite poem is that wonderful Haiku by John Cooper Clark;
To express oneselfIn seventeen syllablesIs
very diffic
All the best,
Lawrence
"þaes
ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.ukDulcian
Wind Quintet: http://dulcianwind.co.uk
Just brilliant!
Cheers Keith in OZ
Keith Helgesen.
Director of Music, Canberra City Band.
Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171
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How do I get the stems shortened without losing my beams?!
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Thanks so much for the responses about the ties! I actually did the
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Thanks again!
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On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:17 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
I too enjoy assonance. I happen to feel that a lot of the rhymes in
rap are not assonance, but merely close enough. One time there is a
perfect rhymne, another time you dignify it with the term assonance.
To put it simply, it's like the
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Op. 53 (1984); ca 45'
It's by Henryk
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