Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 17, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Two questions: 1) When engraving a score that doesn't use barlines, what's the best way to ensure that the invisible barlines don't affect spacing (other than making each score system a single measure)? I haven't tried it, so I don't

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN (was: musical note values in OZ?))

2007-02-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:21 AM, John Howell wrote: Just started watching the movie Marie Antoinette. The illustration of wallpaper music constantly playing in the background is quite telling, but the rock parts of the score strike me as so totally anachronistic that they really turn me off.

Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hey Jef, Burt, Have you tried the SIL IPA fonts in FinMac2007 under OS X 10.4.x? The characters show up correctly in FontBook, but when I try to use the font for lyrics in Finale, the characters all show up as empty boxes. Have you guys seen this? Any ideas about a workaround? Cheers, -

Re: spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 9:39 PM -1000 2/16/07, Bruce K H Kau wrote: SPAM comes from SPiced hAM. Much as we make fun of it (here in Hawai'i, too), it was a godsend for those who, during WWII, didn't really have any other major source of protein. In Hawai'i, that was just about everyone. That,

Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 18.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: 1) When engraving a score that doesn't use barlines, what's the best way to ensure that the invisible barlines don't affect spacing (other than making each score system a single measure)? What is the problem with making each system a single measure? In

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:21 AM, John Howell wrote: Just started watching the movie Marie Antoinette. The illustration of wallpaper music constantly playing in the background is quite telling, but the rock parts of the score strike me as so totally anachronistic that they

Re: [Finale] Execute Shape to control tempo?!?

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
Bob Shuster wrote: I've probably spent way too much time on this already, as it doesn't affect the printout, but it bugs me that I can't figure it out - so I appeal to the gurus among you for help! :) I have a piece in 6/8 - the tempo is set at the beginning to dotted quarter = 60. I do

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available

2007-02-18 Thread Michael Cook
As far as I can tell, the hyphens in 2007 (original) behave like those in 2006b and 2006c. In previous versions of 2006 (2006 original and 2006a), hyphens seem to be like those in 2005: something nasty happened in the update to 2006b. On 17 Feb 2007, at 22:08, Christopher Smith wrote:

Re: [Finale] F2K7 no standard playback setup

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 09:52 PM 2/17/2007 -0500, Williams, Jim wrote: IIRC the installer for 2k7 had issues. You were right ... it wasn't a custom install, but the soundfont was indeed missing from the component files. I dragged the one from the Finale 2006 folder and it works fine.

Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hey Johannes, Actually, I did eventually come to the conclusion that making each system a single measure would save me a lot of hassle in the long run. But I forgot about the split/merge plugins -- thanks for the reminder. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 18

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
Um, all of them? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 18 Feb 2007, at 7:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: Which 70s songs are sung in Grease? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: Um, all of them? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 18 Feb 2007, at 7:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: Which 70s songs are sung in Grease? If by that you mean that all the original songs in Grease were written in the 70s and therefore are 70s songs,

Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
Actually, I did eventually come to the conclusion that making each system a single measure would save me a lot of hassle in the long run. But I forgot about the split/merge plugins -- thanks for the reminder. no! make each smallest unit a separate unit, you will have much more freedom in

Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 18, 2007, at 7:15 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 18.02.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: 1) When engraving a score that doesn't use barlines, what's the best way to ensure that the invisible barlines don't affect spacing (other than making each score system a single measure)? What is

Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
Have you tried the SIL IPA fonts in FinMac2007 under OS X 10.4.x? The characters show up correctly in FontBook, but when I try to use the font for lyrics in Finale, the characters all show up as empty boxes. Have you guys seen this? Any ideas about a workaround? i think i started a doc in

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
I wrote: The songs in Grease are all anachronistic -- some more obviously than others (i.e., the disco beat in the title song), but even in those songs that are meant to evoke 1950's rock and roll, none of them would fool anyone who's even passingly familiar with the pop music of the era

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
The songs in Grease are all anachronistic -- some more obviously than others (i.e., the disco beat in the title song), but even in those songs that are meant to evoke 1950's rock and roll, none of them would fool anyone who's even passingly familiar with the pop music of the era into

Re: [Finale] F2K7 no standard playback setup

2007-02-18 Thread Rafael L. Junchaya
You were right ... it wasn't a custom install, but the soundfont was indeed missing from the component files. I dragged the one from the Finale 2006 folder and it works fine. Thanks much! Dennis Dennis, instead of copying from the Fin2006 folder, copy it from the Finale folder in the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007c is available

2007-02-18 Thread Chuck Israels
Ray, I don't know - the Steinway samples were done in that famous recording venue in Troy NY - trucking in pianos, recording equipment, etc. So - maybe. Chuck On Feb 17, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: This reminds me. Once when I emailed Gary, he asked about sampling me,

[Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread Kim Richmond
Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below the bar. *I want my

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
none of this is possible. please express your grief over this issue to finale support, it is an unacceptable oversight and needs to be corrected. the suggestions i sent to them in december would allow you to do all you are asking. At 03:16 +0100 12/15/06, shirling neueweise wrote:

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread John Howell
At 8:07 AM -0500 2/18/07, Darcy James Argue wrote: The songs in Grease are all anachronistic -- some more obviously than others (i.e., the disco beat in the title song), but even in those songs that are meant to evoke 1950's rock and roll, none of them would fool anyone who's even passingly

Re: spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Feb 2007 at 7:06, dhbailey wrote: Spam as in e-mail or junk mail we don't like is a mere nuisance which can be worked around easily While I don't disagree with your characterization of the major difference that musical spam has with various forms of junk mail, I definitely disagree

Re: spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Chuck Israels
On Feb 18, 2007, at 12:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Unlike email spam, musical spam doesn't have any monetary cost to the receivers. It's just a psychological cost. True, but it's a large one, and the ramifications, as you indicate below, are wide reaching and have a substantial

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
Kim Richmond wrote: Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below

Re: spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
A friend and I went into a local restaurant. We were the only customers there and we asked if they would turn down the background music which was so loud as to make conversation all but impossible. They turned down the music.until we had ordered our meal, then they turned it back up

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread John Howell
At 8:21 AM -0800 2/18/07, Kim Richmond wrote: Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
Yes it's possible, but No, it's not easy. david, although i was excited to hear your comments, i don't think this works, i just tried it. i set up the two regions, and when i opened the part and redefined the regions, the changes were reflected in the score as well. -- shirling

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:04 PM 2/18/2007 -0500, John Howell wrote: Actually I don't think Arabic numerals have upper and lower cases.* At least they don't on typewriter or computer keyboards. You just change the size. In traditional typsetting, some fonts have separate sizes and widths for different purposes --

[Finale] ETF?

2007-02-18 Thread Carl Dershem
Okay - a friend of mine has just gotten Finale, and is ueing 2006. I still use 2004. Isn't the .ETF format supposed to allow me to read stuff he sends me? So har I just get incompatible format messages. Any hints (other than to upgrade)? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/#

Re: [Finale] OT letterpress (was LINKED parts/score)

2007-02-18 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:04 PM 2/18/2007, John Howell wrote: *Based on the old typesetting practice in which individual letters were kept in cases or wooden boxes with the capitals mounted above, as I understand it. Each case was actually one largish box, subdivided into smaller boxes for each letter. Lots more

Re: [Finale] OT letterpress (was LINKED parts/score)

2007-02-18 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 2/18/07, Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letterpress certainly isn't a common way to produce printed material these days, but it's been experiencing something of a renaisaance for custom or boutique printing of generally small runs. There was an article about this in the NY Times last

Re: [Finale] ETF?

2007-02-18 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:13 PM 2/18/2007, Carl Dershem wrote: Okay - a friend of mine has just gotten Finale, and is ueing 2006. I still use 2004. Isn't the .ETF format supposed to allow me to read stuff he sends me? Well, not *really*. So har I just get incompatible format messages. Any hints (other than to

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread Bruce K H Kau
I believe that there is really is a upper/lower case arabic number set, but it is not used as much these days, mostly because of the computer. However, the only differences I recall is the 1 is 1/2 size, and looks like a short capital I; the 0 looks like a lower case o, and the 9 was a

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 05:26 PM 2/18/2007, Bruce K H Kau wrote: I believe that there is really is a upper/lower case arabic number set, but it is not used as much these days, mostly because of the computer. However, the only differences I recall is the 1 is 1/2 size, and looks like a short capital I; the 0 looks

Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 18 Feb 2007, at 8:01 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: Actually, I did eventually come to the conclusion that making each system a single measure would save me a lot of hassle in the long run. But I forgot about the split/merge plugins -- thanks for the reminder. no! make each smallest

Re: [Finale] ETF?

2007-02-18 Thread Carl Dershem
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:13 PM 2/18/2007, Carl Dershem wrote: Okay - a friend of mine has just gotten Finale, and is ueing 2006. I still use 2004. Isn't the .ETF format supposed to allow me to read stuff he sends me? Well, not *really*. So har I just get incompatible format

Re: [Finale] Scores without barlines

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
The other thing is that the composer wants all the notes beamed, and Robert's beam over barlines works better when there are fewer barlines. ah, yes, aha it's one of those. then yes definitely ignore my suggestion and go for 1 measure/system. I think they're close enough that I can get

[Finale] Mensurstriche

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
How do I get mensurstriche (barlines only between staves) only on a selected group of (optimized) score systems? The composer wants this notation only for one movement of a multi-movement work. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread dhbailey
shirling neueweise wrote: Yes it's possible, but No, it's not easy. david, although i was excited to hear your comments, i don't think this works, i just tried it. i set up the two regions, and when i opened the part and redefined the regions, the changes were reflected in the score as

[Finale] Announcement: Early Chamber Music (to 1850) From Wurlitzer-Bruck

2007-02-18 Thread David W. Fenton
This announcement from Wurlitzer-Bruck should be of interest to Finale List subscribers: Wurlitzer-Bruck, dealers in antiquarian music, are pleased to announce a set of major updates to their website: http://www.wurlitzerbruck.com The most significant recent update is the addition of a

Re: [Finale] Mensurstriche

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
How do I get mensurstriche (barlines only between staves) only on a selected group of (optimized) score systems? The composer wants this notation only for one movement of a multi-movement work. strange, it used to work via staff groups (show barlines between staves), but i just tried it

Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
Yes, that's true. that's why I told you that you need to define TWO sets of regions, and you have to edit them EACH time you change view. ah so there is no permanence to this, every time you print you have to make sure the regions are set according to whether you are printing parts or

Re: [Finale] Mensurstriche

2007-02-18 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:30 PM 2/18/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: How do I get mensurstriche (barlines only between staves) only on a selected group of (optimized) score systems? The composer wants this notation only for one movement of a multi-movement work. I'm not sure I understand what the difficulty is.

Re: [Finale] Mensurstriche

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
Aaron, Try it for yourself (FinMac2007). If I create a group containing all staves and then optimize out the non-playing staves, this All Staves group does not show up (I think because the bass staff is one of those that gets optimized out). If I create the group *after* optimization,

Re: [Finale] Mensurstriche

2007-02-18 Thread shirling neueweise
If I create a group containing all staves and then optimize out the non-playing staves, this All Staves group does not show up (I think because the bass staff is one of those that gets optimized out). this should only happen if there is only one staff after optimizing and you have

Re: [Finale] Mensurstriche

2007-02-18 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:39 PM 2/18/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: Try it for yourself (FinMac2007). If I create a group containing all staves and then optimize out the non-playing staves, this All Staves group does not show up (I think because the bass staff is one of those that gets optimized out). I'm with jef

RE: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation

2007-02-18 Thread Guy Hayden
Thank you for the additional information. I only had a single semester of German 30 years ago. I should not have offered any information about the German abbreviation. I am sorry for the inconvenience and wasted bandwidth that my mistake has caused. It is not necessary to further embarrass

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 18, 2007, at 4:38 AM, dhbailey wrote: I was under the impression that the complaint had to do with pop songs not originally written for the musical Grease which were widely known in the 70s which were included in the musical for effect, and that no pop songs not originally written

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:23 AM, John Howell wrote: Version 1.0 opened in Chicago in 1971. A very revised version opened off Broadway in February 1972, and moved onto B'way in June 1972, remaining in production for 3,388 performances before closing in April, 1980. It is being revived as we

Re: anachronisms (was spam [Finale] very TAN

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
Lew wrote: Some more obviously than others is a huge understatement. The Bee Gees disco of the title song is horridly anachronistic. Well, yes, but it's very clearly *supposed* to be that way. The film *wants* to draw your attention to the anachronism of Frankie Valli singing over a

[Finale] Use EDUs for Beat Duration Bug

2007-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hey List, Allen, In trying to set up a measure of 5/8 beamed five eighths to the bar, I tried to create the following time sig: 1 over 2560 EDUs (2560 = 5 eighth notes). But Finale ignores my efforts and instead renders this time sig as 1/2. FinMac2007c. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL