And I would (controversially no doubt) put Igor Engraver above all of
them..
Which is probably not good form on the FInale list ;-)
The big caveat is that it's dead in the water..
Steve P.
On 31 Jan 2011, at 23:52, Jari Williamsson wrote:
On 2011-01-31 23:51, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:
To continue this, I'd put Graphire Music Press up there for sheer looks out of
the box, and for the fastest input via computer keyboard, with auto-update and
reflow and objects that moved out of each others' way automatically. A
beautiful but expensive piece of software.
Of course, it's also dead
I would agree as well with putting Graphire up there.
The closest immediate output (in quality) to something like a Peter's
edition.
Steve P.
On 1 Feb 2011, at 12:15, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
To continue this, I'd put Graphire Music Press up there for sheer
looks out of
the box, and for
Interestingly, Together in Song, also known as the Australian Hymn Book II,
was done with Graphire Music Press and it is without a doubt one of the
poorest examples of music engraving I've seen published. Some errors were
the fault of the engraver but still, quite a lot were the fault of the
progra
I think if something looks bad it is always the fault of the copyist!
I don't think a program will ever exist that will not need serious
tweaking to every bar to produce
publishable output. Improvements could be made still, for instance
giving up white-space at the end of the bar if the last b
What prevents me from using it is that it only works in Mac OS9 or the
Classic environment so it is dependent on an old mac staying alive.
That old mac requires a printer that has drivers for OS9.
There are none so instead it requires a print to pdf kludge that
worked erratically, often requir
On 2/1/2011 8:13 AM, Andrew Moschou wrote:
Interestingly, Together in Song, also known as the Australian Hymn Book II,
was done with Graphire Music Press and it is without a doubt one of the
poorest examples of music engraving I've seen published. Some errors were
the fault of the engraver but st
On 2011-02-01 15:40, Steve Parker wrote:
For example: input note, push A for accent, p for piano mark, f for a
pause, and d to start a hairpin.
All without changing tools or modes.
IIRC, Igor supported slurs as well in entry mode? Articulations,
Key/Time/Clef changes and Expressions at entry t
On 1 Feb 2011, at 16:06, Jari Williamsson wrote:
IIRC, Igor supported slurs as well in entry mode?
Yes.
Articulations, Key/Time/Clef changes and Expressions at entry time
are supported in Finale Simple Entry (but not hairpins and slurs).
I find simple entry in Finale or Igor unusable for
There are actually some examples on the website of what looks like
untweaked output.
http://www.noteheads.com/noteheads/pressf_set.html
I'll send to your email.
Steve P.
On 1 Feb 2011, at 14:48, dc wrote:
Steve Parker écrit:
I can send you samples of mine.
I would certainly appreciate i
On 2011-02-01 17:15, Steve Parker wrote:
I find simple entry in Finale or Igor unusable for proper work.
Huh? I do all my entry in Simple Entry. And I would say that Simple
Entry in Finale using the computer keyboard is very similar to Igor's
computer keyboard input.
Best regards,
Jari Wi
It's very similar to Igor's equivalent input method.
Igor also had an equivalent to speedy which is what I use in Finale
with only a laptop keyboard.
You really find it quicker than using the keyboard with speedy??
Steve P.
On 1 Feb 2011, at 16:31, Jari Williamsson wrote:
On 2011-02-01 17:
On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> On 2011-02-01 17:15, Steve Parker wrote:
>
>> I find simple entry in Finale or Igor unusable for proper work.
>
> Huh? I do all my entry in Simple Entry.
MM is clearly committed to Simple Entry as the input method that will continue
to be
On 2011-02-01 17:34, Steve Parker wrote:
You really find it quicker than using the keyboard with speedy??
Yes, for me Simple Entry is faster than Speedy - as long as I don't need
to insert a note entry in the music. Then I need to grab the mouse and
that slows things down.
Best regards,
I inherited a 2008 file with about a bajillion staff lists, no doubt caused
by having the "staff expressions" box checked during the copying and pasting
procedure.
Rather than go through and delete each one manually, is there a Finale
feature or plug-in available that will clean it up for me? What
On 2/1/2011 11:57 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
MM is clearly committed to Simple Entry as the input method that will continue
to be developed. Unfortunately for those of us who think pitch first and note
value second, it turns our habits and movements upside down and impedes our
work.
Hear, hea
On 2011-02-01 17:57, Chuck Israels wrote:
MM is clearly committed to Simple Entry as the input method that
will continue to be developed. Unfortunately for those of us who
think pitch first and note value second, it turns our habits
and movements upside down and impedes our work. If MM
provide
On 2011-02-01 17:15, Steve Parker wrote:
I think its strength was that Peter Bengtson the original author knew as
much about composing and engraving as programming.
I'd say the the real strength - as well as the weakness - from Igor was
that they choose Lisp as the development language. That
Am 01.02.2011 um 15:35 schrieb David H. Bailey:
> If the examples on the website are very fine and the output you see in the
> hymnal is poor,
Then the examples on the website are probably not done with the software. :-D
Gerhard
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Am 01.02.2011 um 15:40 schrieb Steve Parker :
> What prevents me from using it is that it only works in Mac OS9 or the
> Classic environment so it is dependent on an old mac staying alive.
Or on complete emulation of those.
I think there's software for that: vMac and SheepShaver.
> Tha
Hello!
Am 01.02.2011 um 17:34 schrieb Steve Parker:
> Igor also had an equivalent to speedy which is what I use in Finale with only
> a laptop keyboard.
I found this …
>>> Due to rumors about NoteHeads circulating on the Internet, we would like to
>>> make the following statement: The company
I agree with this although I don't understand the technicalities of it.
It was certainly a big part of the beta discussion towards the end.
I think there was some problem with an easy OSX port too?
Steve P.
On 1 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Jari Williamsson wrote:
I'd say the the real strength - as well
Not sure to what extent you're kidding..
but Score was capable of serious results!
Steve P.
On 1 Feb 2011, at 19:58, Gerhard Torges wrote:
Am 01.02.2011 um 15:35 schrieb David H. Bailey:
If the examples on the website are very fine and the output you see
in the hymnal is poor,
Then the ex
They put that on the website I think over a year ago.
I emailed Cons (chief developer) to see what may be happening and he
didn't appear to be around anymore.
I also email Bjorn and Christer.
No reply whatsoever.
It is atrocious that you can still purchase it from the website!
Steve P.
On 1
On 1 Feb 2011, at 20:00, Gerhard Torges wrote:
Hello!
Am 01.02.2011 um 15:40 schrieb Steve Parker :
What prevents me from using it is that it only works in Mac OS9 or
the Classic environment so it is dependent on an old mac staying
alive.
Or on complete emulation of those.
I think there
On 2011-02-01 21:33, Gerhard Torges wrote:
… on the Noteheads's website.
Are they about to re-enter the market again?
I hardly believe so. The statement that you qoute doesn't have any date,
I think it has been there for a long time. The company is very near
bankruptcy:
http://www.realtid.s
On 1 Feb 2011 at 14:40, Steve Parker wrote:
> Igor will still work on a windows machine. I considered it but
> changing platform to use dead and unsupported software seemed a whole
> lot less appetising than switching (back) to Finale.
What about Windows emulation on a Mac? There are a number
On 1 Feb 2011 at 9:35, David H. Bailey wrote:
> If the examples on the website are very fine and the output you see in
> the hymnal is poor, then how can you blame the program at all?
!!!
Of course you can blame the program! What that means is that a good
engraver knows what to adjust manually,
Where does it go to work as its own menu?
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At 9:00 PM +0100 2/1/11, Gerhard Torges wrote:
Secondly I can assign shortcuts to any expression or slur or shape
or accent etc and enter them whilst entering notes.
For example: input note, push A for accent, p for piano mark, f
for a pause, and d to start a hairpin.
All without changing
On Tue, February 1, 2011 2:58 pm, Gerhard Torges wrote:
> Then the examples on the website are probably not done with the software. :-D
The examples on the website were done with Graphire and they came packaged as
samples with the software. They were done by a composer/engraver who is now
living a
Jumping into this conversation with both feet in my mouth:
...
>>> I know little about it, but get the idea that mode-switching is now
>>> considered generally bad for workflow in computer apps.
>>
>> It it, indeed.
>> The problem with modes is that the very same keystroke will produce
>> complete
On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Jumping into this conversation with both feet in my mouth:
>
> ...
I know little about it, but get the idea that mode-switching is now
considered generally bad for workflow in computer apps.
>>>
>>> It it, indeed.
>>> The problem w
Sorry about the blank message.
Raymond, that scenario happened to me quite frequently. Luckily I caught it in
time, though. I finally came to my senses and removed the '4' metatool from the
staff tool in my default document. It still happens occasionally on older
documents!
On Feb 1, 2011, at
On 2011-02-02 00:07, David W. Fenton wrote:
Finale's defaults have always been terrible, and no one who wants
decent output uses the defaults for layout. The experienced Finale
user can get excellent output, but at the cost of a pretty large
investment in learning what to change from the way Fin
On 2011-02-02 05:04, Raymond Horton wrote:
Now and then, especially if i have auto-spacing switched off, with the
mass-mover tool I may hit ctrl-A to select the whole document, then
hit "4" to re-space.
You should probably include the Finale version you're using.
There's no tool called the Ma
Hello John!
Am 02.02.2011 um 02:34 schrieb John Howell :
> At 9:00 PM +0100 2/1/11, Gerhard Torges wrote:
>>
>>>
>> But unfortunately, you have to enable the accent in Sibelius before entering
>> the note.
>
> ?? Not at all true. Depending, of course, on exactly what you
> mean
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