Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 5/31/2009 9:48 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Sure you can. I do it all the time. It's a great way to compose, actually, writing the rhythms and maybe an approximate contour, then go back and choose the pitches. I can only do it with a pencil, though (so far!) But I think you two are talking ap

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 5/31/2009 9:39 PM, John Howell wrote: Hi, Aaron. Not meaning to be picky, but you're breaking a single integrated action up into two distinct actions (which is what Finale, Sibelius, and Mosaic all do). When I move my hand I already know both the pitch and the duration I'm going to write, so

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 31, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 5/31/2009 8:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 31, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Adam Golding wrote: 2009/5/31 John Howell At 2:22 PM -0700 5/31/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. I fully re

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread John Howell
At 8:58 PM -0400 5/31/09, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 5/31/2009 8:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Carl Dershem
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Not necessarily..For example, when I am writing out something, I frequently go through and block out chords, then go back and do the duration. And speedy also lets me play or even keep sounding the chord before and lets me play/mess around with different voicings befor

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Not necessarily..For example, when I am writing out something, I frequently go through and block out chords, then go back and do the duration. And speedy also lets me play or even keep sounding the chord before and lets me play/mess around with different voicings before putting them into th

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread David W. Fenton
On 31 May 2009 at 23:08, Torges Gerhard wrote: > Am 30.05.2009 um 01:57 schrieb David W. Fenton: > > If they are trying to promote Finale on the grounds of versatility of > > getting notes into your files, why do they leave out one of the main > > methods, Speedy entry? > > They didn't. > > Look

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 5/31/2009 8:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placin

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Adam Golding
2009/5/31 John Howell > At 2:22 PM -0700 5/31/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >> No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord >> and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does >> not have this. >> > > I fully realize that different people have different

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread John Howell
At 2:22 PM -0700 5/31/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this parti

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 31, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Torges Gerhard wrote: Hello! Am 30.05.2009 um 01:57 schrieb David W. Fenton: http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/features/enteringnotes/default.aspx If they are trying to promote Finale on the grounds of versatility of getting notes into your files, why do they

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Eric Dannewitz
No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Torges Gerhard wrote: > > No other? > Well, I know another one ... ;-) > >> If they are trying to promote Fin

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-31 Thread Torges Gerhard
Hello! Am 30.05.2009 um 01:57 schrieb David W. Fenton: We're well aware of the fact that MM is working towards promoting Simple over Speedy for new users. Add to that the fact that they are careless enough as to not mention it in their page on all the various methods for entering notes: http:

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yeah, that's my leaning too. I just hope upgrading from Mac07 isn't too labor intensive ... on the other hand, I am retired and my only deadlines (no pun intended) are pretty much self-imposed. This is excellent, because I am always most empathetic (should be considered for an appointment

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Now that's good, pragmatic info. Thanks, Dean On May 30, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 30, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. The site and/or propaganda doesn't say how well it handles the

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-30 Thread Ray Horton
Aaron Sherber wrote: On 5/30/2009 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. This has been my attitude for several years with Finale. Of course, we'd all like to see updates that get us really excited about a host of new features

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 5/30/2009 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. This has been my attitude for several years with Finale. Of course, we'd all like to see updates that get us really excited about a host of new features and bugfixes and which

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 30, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. The site and/or propaganda doesn't say how well it handles the rehearsal marks in linked parts. One of the things I really dislike is having to deal with the rehe

[Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Ralph Whitfield
I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. The site and/or propaganda doesn't say how well it handles the rehearsal marks in linked parts. One of the things I really dislike is having to deal with the rehearsal marks in linked parts...having to have a regular scor

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Allen Fisher
Methinks he hit it on the head ;) On May 29, 2009, at 9:54 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Are their marketing people (i.e., the people who write the promotional copy) just ignorant of the fact that Speedy exists and is very important to a crucial portion of their user base? Allen Fisher Founder a

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Matthew Hindson (gmail)
David W. Fenton wrote: But the only method they go on to describe is Simple Entry. They don't mention the many advantages of Speedy. Are they pretending it doesn't exist? Are they downplaying it in order to fold it into Simple Entry? Are their marketing people (i.e., the people who write

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 May 2009 at 10:51, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > Add to that the fact that they are careless enough as to not mention > > it in their page on all the various methods for entering notes: > > > > http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/features/enteringnotes/defaul

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Christopher Smith
I see the announcement on the Forum. The upgrade list is not as meagre as all that. Some of the better features, for me: Measure numbers apparently can be controlled differently in parts and score. Even if this is only font, size, and position, it is a HUGE improvement! They were not puttin

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 29, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: Add to that the fact that they are careless enough as to not mention it in their page on all the various methods for entering notes: http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/features/enteringnotes/default.aspx s

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Matthew Hindson (gmail)
David W. Fenton wrote: Add to that the fact that they are careless enough as to not mention it in their page on all the various methods for entering notes: http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/features/enteringnotes/default.aspx seems to me to be worth worrying about. The first paragraph say

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Christopher Smith
Hi, Allen, This is how they get started. This is from a question I sent to MakeMusic, Aug 10, 2007 * On the Finale Listserve one of the contributors mentioned that at a Finale workshop given by one of the Toms he said that Speedy Entry was eventually going to be dropped in a future ve

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 29 May 2009 at 18:16, Allen Fisher wrote: > Oh for the love of...they're NOT removing speedy. I don't know how > these rumors get started...it's like when they would release mac/win > separately and one group or the other would think their platform's > getting dropped because their platfo

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Allen Fisher
Oh for the love of...they're NOT removing speedy. I don't know how these rumors get started...it's like when they would release mac/win separately and one group or the other would think their platform's getting dropped because their platform wasn't first. On May 29, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Chris

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Christopher Smith
I had heard that they were thinking of eventually folding the Speedy functionality into the Simple tool, or combining them into one at any rate, kind of like what they did with the Mass Edit and the Selection Tool. If they do it carefully, it could be very beneficial. I think the Selection

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 29 May 2009 at 12:19, Stephen Lamb wrote: > http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ > simplenoteentry.aspx > > Under "Entering Notes," they list: > - Simple note entry > - Hyperscribe > - MicNotator > - Scanning > > Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy e

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Florence + Michael
I can assure you that Speedy Entry has not been removed from 2010. All other tools (Travis Neville mentioned the Key Signature tool) are there as well. Michael On 29 May 2009, at 19:19, Stephen Lamb wrote: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ simplenoteentry.aspx Und

RE: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Travis Neville
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced > > At 01:56 PM 5/29/2009, you wrote: > >Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? > > > >Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it > >the g

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Dana Friedman
At 01:56 PM 5/29/2009, you wrote: Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Man

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Manthis would be terrible. On Fri,

[Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

2009-05-29 Thread Stephen Lamb
http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ simplenoteentry.aspx Under "Entering Notes," they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? Stephen ___