Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread Jari Williamsson
John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote: Could you clarify which of Garner Read's books you are citing to? I am aware of six books he has written and suspect you are referencing the book entitled "Source Book of Proposed Music Notation Reforms" [I'm quoting since underline/italics is not available].

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread John Poole [Finale Discussion]
Jari Williamsson wrote: d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. FWIW, both Garner Read (page 267) and Kurt Ross (page 141) mentions a tie not covered completely by the slur as "

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 24 Oct 2004, at 05:03 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I just looked up a couple of volumes from the Mozart complete edition at random, and they consistently start the slur on the second note of two tied over notes. I think the problem is that both Read and Ross follow a early 20th century traditi

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I think this is a good decision, in line with most (European) publications of this sort and this day. I would almost certainly do the same. Johannes d. collins wrote: Thanks to all for the valuable advice, and in particular to Johannes for explaining both options in this situation. The source

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I don't think there is a distinction, though. I have never seen an edition where the two are mixed. Johannes d. collins wrote: Jari Williamsson écrit: FWIW, both Garner Read (page 267) and Kurt Ross (page 141) mentions a tie not covered completely by the slur as "incorrect". But of course this

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I just looked up a couple of volumes from the Mozart complete edition at random, and they consistently start the slur on the second note of two tied over notes. I think the problem is that both Read and Ross follow a early 20th century tradition. From that point of view they are both correct. H

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-24 Thread Jari Williamsson
d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. FWIW, both Garner Read (page 267) and Kurt Ross (page 141) mentions a tie not covered completely by the slur as "incorrect". But of course

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-23 Thread Carl Dershem
John Howell wrote: At 9:58 PM +0200 10/23/04, d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. And a related question: if one uses so-called "European" ties that look like slurs and a no

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-23 Thread John Howell
At 9:58 PM +0200 10/23/04, d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. And a related question: if one uses so-called "European" ties that look like slurs and a note has both a tie

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-23 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 23, 2004, at 1:55 PM, dhbailey wrote: The slur should begin with the first of the two tied notes. The tie should remain close enough to the notehead so as not to leave an unsightly gap, and the slur ending would be moved slightly vertically so as not to overlap the tie. In my opinion. Tha

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
dhbailey wrote: d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. The slur should begin with the first of the two tied notes. I don't think there are any grounds for a generalization here

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-23 Thread dhbailey
d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. And a related question: if one uses so-called "European" ties that look like slurs and a note has both a tie and a slur starting (or endi

Re: [Finale] Ties ans slurs

2004-10-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
d. collins wrote: I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes. That depends. 18th and early 19th century tradition in prints is usually to have the slur start on the second note. Later 19th and early 2