Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-05 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Actually, I have more respect for your particular instrumental subculture than most. I can't imagine how frightening it would be to be sitting in the horn section, in a performance with a major orchestra in front of an huge audience ... counting a 200 bar tacet, waiti

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-04 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Actually, I have more respect for your particular instrumental subculture than most. I can't imagine how frightening it would be to be sitting in the horn section, in a performance with a major orchestra in front of an huge audience ... counting a 200 bar tacet, waiting to enter on a high

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-04 Thread Richard Smith
Hey! We're a fun bunch!! RGS Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Imagine that ... a lively conversation among horn players! Dean On Nov 3, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: On 11/2/07, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: there is a lively discussion among horn players about whethe

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-04 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Imagine that ... a lively conversation among horn players! Dean On Nov 3, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: On 11/2/07, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: there is a lively discussion among horn players about whether the 4th horn solo in the 3rd mvt of Beethoven 9 was

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-03 Thread Robert Patterson
On 11/2/07, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > there is a lively discussion among horn players > about whether the 4th horn solo in the 3rd mvt of Beethoven 9 was > written for valve horn. And yet, John Ericson, very eloquently, dispassionately, perspicaciously, and convincing

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread Richard Smith
Robert Patterson wrote: But even in much more recent history, where the composer is well-known, questions abound. Here are two thorny ones from the world of horn music. Brahms wrote is horn trio for the natural horn, but because it was so difficult without valves, and because valve-horn play

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread Robert Patterson
John Howell wrote: The fact is that an excellent modern baroque orchestra DOES sound quite different from an excellent modern orchestra using 19th century performance practices, It would take a very deaf ear indeed for anyone to argue differently. I find nothing in what I've read of Taruskin

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread John Howell
At 11:25 AM -0500 11/2/07, Robert Patterson wrote: dhbailey wrote: Jeff Beck did a wonderful acoustic guitar version back in the 60s I find whole question of performance history and how it informs our listening to be quite interesting. This is especially true of tune like that for "Greensle

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread Robert Patterson
dhbailey wrote: Jeff Beck did a wonderful acoustic guitar version back in the 60s I find whole question of performance history and how it informs our listening to be quite interesting. This is especially true of tune like that for "Greensleeves", with its meandering inflected 6th degree. Is

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread dhbailey
Stu McIntire wrote: Thanks much for this history lesson. Regarding "Greensleeves", does this mean that it is always historically incorrect to perform it with the fifth note NOT lowered? Depends on how far back in history you want to go -- Jeff Beck did a wonderful acoustic guitar version bac

RE: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread John Howell
At 12:01 PM -0400 11/1/07, Stu McIntire wrote: Thanks much for this history lesson. Regarding "Greensleeves", does this mean that it is always historically incorrect to perform it with the fifth note NOT lowered? Hi, Stu. Of course not, but since we've all heard it sung both ways, I think it

RE: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-02 Thread Stu McIntire
Thanks much for this history lesson. Regarding "Greensleeves", does this mean that it is always historically incorrect to perform it with the fifth note NOT lowered? Stu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/fina

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-11-01 Thread Hans Swinnen
Hello John (and David). Thanks for clarification. You know, having worked as a conductor in Germany, the Netherlands and -of course- in my own country, I've been frustrated by many misunderstandings caused by the different pitch names. The B/H discussion invited me to tell something from wh

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-10-31 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Nov 2007 at 0:19, John Howell wrote: > "gamut" This term comes from the note added to the Greek scale, "Gamma Ut", which was below the A. That is, the Greek scale was a tetrachordal system starting on A. The G below was added later, and called Gamma Ut. I don't know how that got collapsed

Re: [Finale] very OT notation (burn before reading!)

2007-10-31 Thread John Howell
At 12:07 PM +0100 10/31/07, Hans Swinnen wrote: In the 12th century or something when introducing a 7th note to the already existing hexachord, there was a babylonic confusion about the name. We know that the first syllabe of each verse came out the hymne for St Johannes (Ut..., Re..., Mi..., e