Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-24 Thread Allen Fisher
Yup didn't intend to trim that much. Mea culpa. On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 23 Oct 2009 at 18:55, Allen Fisher wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, Nope. Not how it works at MM.

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A specific customer-reported issue that is new to tech support may just be a new surface manifestation of a particular underlying problem, one that emerges only at runtime in particular environments. In other words, what you see

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Internally at MakeMusic the two are not the same at all. I believe that when David typed != he was

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Fri Oct 23, at FridayOct 23 6:29 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Internally at MakeMusic the two are not the

RE: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread Richard Yates
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:15 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-) On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Oct 2009 at 6:14, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of the issues I report are previously

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Oct 2009 at 7:39, Christopher Smith wrote: What must the developers be thinking then, when there are all these clients and tech support people squawking and running around like headless chickens trying to pinpoint a behaviour, when some communication and documentation could

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread Allen Fisher
Nope. Not how it works at MM. QA is indeed separate from customer support. Has been as long as I can remember. Allen On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Oct 2009 at 18:55, Allen Fisher wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, Nope. Not how it works at MM. QA is indeed separate from customer support. Has been as long as I can remember. Good to know.

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Oct 2009 at 12:35, Howey, Henry wrote: The central fact remains - those who adopt early are beta-testers - unpaid beta-testers. This is fundamentally dishonest. A few points: 1. I know of no paid bet testers for any software. 2. Bugs don't define software as beta because all software

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the Finale developers. Wow. I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

2009-10-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the Finale developers. Wow. I must be really, really lucky (or