RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-07-02 Thread John Howell
At 10:23 AM +0100 7/2/06, Owain Sutton wrote: There's a huge difference. One is creating every conceivable block in advance, to ensure that every ligature can be preserved. The more practical situation is making a smaller set of blocks which enables the printing of some common ligatures, at

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-07-02 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:23 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: One is creating every conceivable block in advance, to ensure that every ligature can be preserved. The more practical situation is making a smaller set of blocks which enables the printing of some common ligatures, at the expense of others.

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-07-01 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jun 30, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Anyway, my central point still stands: printers--or at least this one, major, printer--had the ability and willingness to produce ligatures when called upon to do so. No, the point doesn't stand, you haven't demonstrated that specific

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-30 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Do the exponential calculations of how many different pieces would be needed to cover every possibility, and still tell me it may be assumed that they all existed! No, you're right. I imagine Attaignant and the others made the special blocks

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-30 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Stiller Sent: 30 June 2006 20:19 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Do the exponential calculations

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-29 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jun 28, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: A page of Mouton's _Messe d'Allemaigne_, as printed by Attaignant and reproduced in _Pierre Attaignant: Royal Printer of Music_ by Daniel Heartz, displays several 3-note ligatures, in a variety of forms. Would these be formed simply by

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-29 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 29, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Each separate note has its own type block, including the staff lines. But the blocks include all those needed to produce ligatures; the page in question shows, for example, both open and filled diagonal slide ligatures, each comprised

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-29 Thread Martin Banner
I use Chord Tool to assign figured bass, works like a charm! Martin On Jun 29, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Finale can only do ligatures using movable lead type!? Wow, and I thought it was a kludge to get figured bass in using the lyrics tool! (big grin) 8-)=)

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-29 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: 29 June 2006 20:20 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos On Jun 29, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Each separate note has

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In reply to various comments: ligatures may have survived, but I cannot think of any examples exceeding a pair of notes. Also, colouration consisted of black and white notation (simple to do when printing black ink on white paper) but red (and blue) notation disappeared because of the complex

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 07:11 PM 6/27/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: But it seems to me that in the historical example, there was no resulting limitation on the musical expression of the composers, as I believe Dennis is suggesting is the case with the impoverished notational vocabulary of primitive notation

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2006 15:02 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos In reply to various comments: ligatures may have survived, but I cannot think

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread John Howell
At 10:02 AM -0400 6/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to various comments: ligatures may have survived, but I cannot think of any examples exceeding a pair of notes. Agreed, 2-note ligatures with opposite propriety are the large majority. Throughout most periods compositional

Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jun 28, 2006, at 10:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to various comments: ligatures may have survived, but I cannot think of any examples exceeding a pair of notes. A page of Mouton's _Messe d'Allemaigne_, as printed by Attaignant and reproduced in _Pierre Attaignant: Royal

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Stiller Sent: 28 June 2006 19:33 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos On Jun 28, 2006, at 10:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to various

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-28 Thread John Howell
At 8:05 PM +0100 6/28/06, Owain Sutton wrote: A page of Mouton's _Messe d'Allemaigne_, as printed by Attaignant and reproduced in _Pierre Attaignant: Royal Printer of Music_ by Daniel Heartz, displays several 3-note ligatures, in a variety of forms. Would these be formed simply by

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Jun 2006 at 22:57, Owain Sutton wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: 26 June 2006 20:18 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos On 26 Jun 2006 at 7:59, [EMAIL

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-27 Thread John Howell
At 8:40 AM -0400 6/27/06, David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Jun 2006 at 22:57, Owain Sutton wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: 26 June 2006 20:18 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-27 Thread David W. Fenton
To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos On 26 Jun 2006 at 7:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same happened in the early sixteenth century. All the ligatures and colouration that made 15th century music so complex (e.g. mensuration canons

RE: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos

2006-06-26 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: 26 June 2006 20:18 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation; was RE: Tremolos On 26 Jun 2006 at 7:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same happened in the early