On 13 Oct 2007 at 0:52, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> David W. Fenton / 07.10.12 / 0:05 AM wrote:
> >Does Sibelius already do Unicode and handle double-byte character
> >sets transparently?
>
> Double-byte char sets isn't Unicode, you know that, right?
Yes. That's why I didn't say just Unicode. I was
On 13.10.2007 Stan Lord wrote:
Two people I know to whom I introduced Fin. moved over to Sib. a few years
ago. They said they couldn't spare the time to learn Finale.
Yes. You know, I know quite a lot of such people. This issue comes up
every now and then, and every time it ended with the st
On 11 Oct 2007, at 17:47, Brian Appleby wrote:
I have been a Finale user since Version 1 - my serial number is
under 000650. I actually attended a hotel room demo by Phil
Farrand at NAMM 1988, before the program was released. So I'm a
Finale geezer.
Me too. My serial no. is below 00026
David W. Fenton / 07.10.12 / 0:05 AM wrote:
>Does Sibelius already do Unicode and handle double-byte character
>sets transparently?
Double-byte char sets isn't Unicode, you know that, right?
Randolph Peters / 07.10.12 / 10:42 AM wrote:
>But I guess your larger point is that Unicode translation a
Here is a loud, clear and easy way to get the $99.97 price, and I am
told if you order it here you'll get it overnight. (Free shipping) :
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Sibelius5Comp/
Ray Horton
John Howell wrote:
At 7:16 AM -0700 10/12/07, George Ports wrote:
How do I go about i
Because someone said all their products except one were available on the
Mac
John Howell wrote:
At 10:41 AM -0800 10/12/07, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
One of them does not, and the ear training program is a version
behind for Mac.
And this is unusual why? My understanding is that Off
At 10:23 PM -0400 10/12/07, Bob Morabito wrote:
H John--this isn't entirely correct--
The link is "Buy Now"
and it says the following (previously posted)
Correct, but the implication (to me, at least) is
that the $199 price IS the 50% off price, rather
than the 50% off price being $99. No b
H John--this isn't entirely correct--
The link is "Buy Now"
and it says the following (previously posted)
Thanks
http://www.sibelius.com/shop/educational.html
Attention FINALE® Users!
Sibelius 5 Competitive Upgrade
Sibelius 5 Competitive Upgrade
US$199
50% off, click Buy Now
Finale, En
At 1:32 PM -0700 10/12/07, George Ports wrote:
Thank you Bob,
Am looking forward to trying out Sibelius 5. Hope I don't run
into too many problems while trying to learn it.
Is there a Sibelius forum as good as the Finale forum?
George
Better. There's a company man on the list and he ac
At 10:41 AM -0800 10/12/07, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
One of them does not, and the ear training program is a version
behind for Mac.
And this is unusual why? My understanding is that Office 2007 for
Mac won't be released until 2008!!
John
--
John R. Howell
Virginia Tech Department of Music
B
At 7:16 AM -0700 10/12/07, George Ports wrote:
How do I go about it? Looked at the website and could only find it
for $199. Can you direct me to obtaining it?
Thanks,
George Ports
You have to click on "Order" or whatever the link is, and then it
will show up, unexplained, with the $99 price.
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]> So, it's really no trivial task, and it wouldn't at all surprise me
if some of the meagerness of recent released Finale versions were due
to the fact that significant resources are being expended on a long-
term rewrite of the entire codebase to enable Unicode in s
t;Bob Morabito"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
Hi George:
http://www.sibelius.com/shop/educational.html
Attention FINALE® Users!
Sibelius 5 Competitive Upgrade
Sibelius 5 Competitive Upgrade
US$199
t: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
Hi George:
http://www.sibelius.com/shop/educational.html
Attention FINALE® Users!
Sibelius 5 Competitive Upgrade
Sibelius 5 Competitive Upgrade
US$199
50% off, click Buy Now
Finale, Encore, Mosaic, and Sibe
Thanks Aaron,
I was able to get Sibelius.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Sherber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ;
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
At 10:16 AM 10/12/2007, George Ports wrote:
>How do I go
On 12 Oct 2007 at 9:42, Randolph Peters wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> >
> >Does Sibelius already do Unicode and handle double-byte character
> >sets transparently?
>
> I don't know first hand how well Sibelius handles Unicode. Their web
> site says yes, but Michael Good says no. Perhaps some
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
How do I go about it? Looked at the website and could only find it for
$199. Can you direct me to obtaining it?
Thanks,
George Ports
- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Cla
On 12 Oct 2007 at 3:51, dhbailey wrote:
> I'm still wondering what the reason for their early release of version
> 2k8 was, and I can only guess that part of it was to get pre-order
> income into the second quarter to make their financial picture look
> better, and continue the upgrade income i
Hi Randolph,
> I don't know first hand how well Sibelius handles Unicode.
> Their web site says yes, but Michael Good says no.
I think you must have misunderstood something that I said or wrote. I
apologize for any confusion there.
Sibelius 5 has native Unicode support built-in and it works gr
Fisher, Allen wrote:
On the search page:
http://www.smartmusic.com/findmusic/default.aspx
More than 30,000 titles and counting!
The SmartMusic practice system includes more than 30,000 solo and
ensemble titles and 50,000 exercises for woodwind, brass, string, and
vocal musicians. Access the li
One of them does not, and the ear training program is a version behind
for Mac.
Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On 10/11/07, Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The problem with Sibelius educational software is that it runs on
Windows only. The stuff is excellent, but..windows only? St
Um, the website doesn't really reflect the updates. There was one
yesterday, and there was no jazz band updates. There hasn't been any
update in over a month for the Jazz band titles. The last one I saw was
the watered down, terrible version of Gordon Goodwin's The Jazz Police.
Fisher, Allen w
Except that they don't have the COMPLETE content of those books. The
Standard Of Excellence and Yamaha instrumental methods are missing a few
to quite a few of the exercises.
Tyler Turner wrote:
I assume you're talking about the new ensemble
literature? If you look at all of the content, there
: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
|
| I asked:
| >I think SmartMusic is a very interesting program that actually does
| >what it says it does, but where is the repertoire?
|
| Fisher, Allen replied:
| >New repertoire is being released regularly. From the front page of
| >www.smartmusic.com:
--- Brian Appleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At some point in the future I'm going to want an
> Intel Mac running
> the latest version of OSX, and then the whole
> thing's going to blow
> up on me - I'll probably have to tuck my old
> computers in a corner to
> run Finale archives, and
]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
Hi, all. Actually you can buy Sib5 for $99 as a Finale
Competitive Upgrade. But this offer, as of now, is only good for
the month of October.
BC
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Sh
--- Randolph Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tyler Turner wrote:
> >Now SmartMusic's growth greatly outpaces Finale's.
>
> Growth rates can look impressive when the sample
> numbers are small.
> It is always a mistake to assume that early growth
> rates will be
> similar in the future in a
At 10:16 AM 10/12/2007, George Ports wrote:
>How do I go about it? Looked at the website and could only find it for $199.
>Can you direct me to obtaining it?
Go to http://www.sibelius.com/shop/professional.html
There's a box in the middle of the page that says "Attention FINALE
Users". Click o
How do I go about it? Looked at the website and could only find it for $199.
Can you direct me to obtaining it?
Thanks,
George Ports
- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re:
--- Randolph Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Just added - Over 95 band, jazz band, and orchestra
> titles, Rubank
> >Advanced Volume 1, and The Yamaha Advantage,
> >Book 1
>
> I don't want to minimize this achievement, but a
> higher order of
> magnitude is what I think is needed for a cri
I asked:
I think SmartMusic is a very interesting program that actually does
what it says it does, but where is the repertoire?
Fisher, Allen replied:
New repertoire is being released regularly. From the front page of
www.smartmusic.com:
Just added - Over 95 band, jazz band, and orchestra tit
David W. Fenton wrote:
Does Sibelius already do Unicode and handle double-byte character
sets transparently?
I don't know first hand how well Sibelius handles Unicode. Their web
site says yes, but Michael Good says no. Perhaps someone can clarify
this question with regards to Sibelius 5.
B
Hi, all. Actually you can buy Sib5 for $99 as a Finale Competitive Upgrade.
But this offer, as of now, is only good for the month of October.
BC
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Sherber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ;
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject:
shirling & neueweise wrote:
Sadly, I think the last tee-shirt was Finale 97 or 98
2004, sleek, black, sexy, i feel like a real man wearing it
Funny, whenever I wear mine, everyone thinks I look like a geek, and
they point and laugh.
Except when I wore it to the Sibelius demo g
| I think SmartMusic is a very interesting program that
| actually does what it says it does, but where is the
| repertoire?
New repertoire is being released regularly. From the front page of
www.smartmusic.com:
Just added - Over 95 band, jazz band, and orchestra titles, Rubank
Advanced Volum
On 11 Oct 2007 at 17:51, Randolph Peters wrote:
> MM's notation programs are still by far the biggest earners. And
> there is still a lot of growth potential here that I don't see being
> tapped. For example, where is the development in those Asian markets
> (e.g., China, Korea) that have a hug
On 10/11/07, Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem with Sibelius educational software is that it runs on
> Windows only. The stuff is excellent, but..windows only? Stupid.
Not true, it runs on Mac platform, according to Daniel Spreadbury.
Kim
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
My hope is that as SmartMusic continues to pick up a
greater share of the load, it will eventually allow
MakeMusic to relax on Finale's schedule and fix many
older issues. SmartMusic is really a blessing for
Finale, because it requires the company to maintain
its inte
On 11 Oct 2007 at 10:47, Brian Appleby wrote:
> Bottom line is, Finale 2006 does pretty well everything I require.
I've refrained until now from replying because:
1. I'm no a professional copyist.
2. I use Finale pretty occasionally, though I have lots of work
invested in it.
3. I never upgra
--- Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think MakeMusic, if the trend continues, is not
> going to be the maker
> of an excellent notation program. They will be known
> for their
> SmartMusic stuff, perhaps even changing their name
> from MakeMusic (like
> they did from Coda to Mak
> It seems that some big-wig at MakeMusic has as his pet hobby-horse
> SmartMusic Accompaniment system ...
The Boston Globe has a front page story today about how schools all over MA
are now using SmartMusic:
http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2007/10/11/harried_school
s_trumpet_d
On 11-Oct-07, at 12:47 PM, Brian Appleby wrote:
[comprehensive stuff snipped]
Bottom line is, Finale 2006 does pretty well everything I require.
I always thought linked parts would be nice, but I've tried to work
with the implementation in 2007 and 2008 a bit, and always decided
it wasn'
At 06:06 PM 10/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>"Sibelius crossgrade"? Is that some kind of crossover program between
>Finale and Sibelius?
Each program can be bought at a discount by owners of the other, with
proof of ownership.
Sibelius usually sells for $600. Finale owners can normally b
Tyler Turner wrote:
Now SmartMusic's growth greatly outpaces Finale's.
Growth rates can look impressive when the sample numbers are small.
It is always a mistake to assume that early growth rates will be
similar in the future in any statistical analysis.
MM's notation programs are still by
"Sibelius crossgrade"? Is that some kind of crossover program between
Finale and Sibelius?
> Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more
>> accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional
>> users of Finale,
I have been a Finale user since Version 1 - my serial number is under
000650. I actually attended a hotel room demo by Phil Farrand at
NAMM 1988, before the program was released. So I'm a Finale geezer.
I run a small publishing company specializing in young band music -
we have a catalog
Eric wrote:
> It's good and all that SmartMusic is starting to make them money. It has
> it's pluses and minuses, there are a lot of things I like and dislike
> about it. But they really shouldn't drop the ball with their flagship
> product, especially when all they need to do is fix bugs and compl
Tyler Turner wrote:
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
It seems that some big-wig at MakeMusic has as his
pet hobby-horse
SmartMusic Accompaniment system and won't allow the
resources to be
allocated fairly so that Finale's problems can be
properly addressed,
all the while the accounting
Tyler Turner wrote:
I believe you're going to be pretty surprised by how
all this turns out in the future. Take a look at the
news from yesterday regarding the success of
SmartMusic. The last 3 month quarter saw subscriptions
jump from 61,000 to nearly 76,000. As the company
predicted, SmartMusic
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It seems that some big-wig at MakeMusic has as his
> pet hobby-horse
> SmartMusic Accompaniment system and won't allow the
> resources to be
> allocated fairly so that Finale's problems can be
> properly addressed,
> all the while the accounting shows t
Oh man, I feel soinferior now.
shirling & neueweise wrote:
Sadly, I think the last tee-shirt was Finale 97 or 98
2004, sleek, black, sexy, i feel like a real man wearing it
___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
http
dhbailey wrote:
Barbara Touburg wrote:
I have one! A very large blue one! (guess where it came from - thanks,
Carla!)
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts!
You got a T-shirt for your Fin2k8 upgrade?
No, YEARS ago, can't remember when.
I whined a bit at the Coda
I'm working on a project for A-R Editions. They're sticking with Finale 2006
because of bugs introduced in 2007.
Andrew Levin
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Thought I should contribute as well
(a) have been a professional Finale user since 1992, mostly with film
and recording orchestras in UK and New Zealand, upgraded faithfully to
every version. Last purchase was 2007
(b) very concerned about some bugs, especially flipping accidentals, and
disapp
Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more
> accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional
> users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare
> either skipping an '08 upgrade or switc
At 6:01 PM -0400 10/10/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:43 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
additional weight could be given to such a compilation as you have
suggested if responders gave an indication of how many potential
finale users they have suggested use sibelius inste
Sadly, I think the last tee-shirt was Finale 97 or 98
2004, sleek, black, sexy, i feel like a real man wearing it
--
shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com
___
Finale mailing
Sadly, I think the last tee-shirt was Finale 97 or 98
dhbailey wrote:
Barbara Touburg wrote:
I have one! A very large blue one! (guess where it came from -
thanks, Carla!)
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts!
___
Fi
Barbara Touburg wrote:
I have one! A very large blue one! (guess where it came from - thanks,
Carla!)
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts!
___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
shirling & neueweise wrote:
posted the e-mail addresses of the COO, CTO, CEO and several others at
MakeMusic and posted a copy of the letter he sent (with CC: to all of
them) listing his concerns and complaints and he urged any/all of us
to do the same. I did, writing my own letter and sendi
- I am a long term amateur user (with six books published).
- I will not upgrade to Fin2008 (the first I skipped in ten years).
- I ill be reluctant to upgrade to 2009 unless bug fixes are made.
- I check out each new Sibelius version to see if it can do what I need.
Richard Yates
>-Original
That description might apply to John Howell and me. 15 workstations
(all of them) at my school upgraded this year to Sibelius 5, but not
Finale.
yeh i figgerd i could shake you out! 8-)
--
shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.c
I have one! A very large blue one! (guess where it came from - thanks,
Carla!)
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts!
___
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Finale@shsu.edu
http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Thanks, David and Richard. Am tweaking happily away!
BC
- Original Message -
From: "Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
Bruce Clausen wrote:
On Fin's side, I don'
On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 10.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
What did they say to you when they informed you that you would not
be beta testing any more?
They did not inform me at all. Nada. I eventually asked why I
hadn't heard. It took them two weeks to r
On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:43 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
additional weight could be given to such a compilation as you have
suggested if responders gave an indication of how many potential
finale users they have suggested use sibelius instead, and if
certain people could let MM know that
Bruce
- Original Message -
From: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
Ah, it has finally happened. The Finale List is now morphing into a
Sibelius list. Not that there's an
Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts!
shirling & neueweise wrote:
No no no. You can't do that. Make them participate on a list? Then
they would have to respond to feedback. They might be confronted with
things that they need to fix. We won't get the new, fluffy Pokemon
notation that will be i
I think it was jef chippewa
dhbailey wrote:
A few months ago Bob Morabito (I think it was him -- if not, I
apologize to whomever it was) posted the e-mail addresses of the COO,
CTO, CEO and several others at MakeMusic and posted a copy of the
letter he sent (with CC: to all of them) listin
Ah, it has finally happened. The Finale List is now morphing into a
Sibelius list. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just an
interesting example of Darwin's thesis.
Dean
On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
Bruce Clausen wrote:
On Fin's side, I don't yet see in Sib th
posted the e-mail addresses of the COO, CTO, CEO and several others
at MakeMusic and posted a copy of the letter he sent (with CC: to
all of them) listing his concerns and complaints and he urged
any/all of us to do the same. I did, writing my own letter and
sending it to the same recipients
Bruce Clausen wrote:
On Fin's side, I don't yet see in Sib the ability to tweak things,
e.g. hairpins, expression placement, slurs, etc., but this may be that
I haven't yet found the means of doing so. So far, I believe that Sib
is more the way I like to work . . . but it is way too soon for a
I
believe that Sib is more the way I like to work . . . but it is way too
soon for a really informed judgment.
Bruce Clausen
- Original Message - From: "Johannes Gebauer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: F
On 10.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
What did they say to you when they informed you that you would not be beta
testing any more?
They did not inform me at all. Nada. I eventually asked why I hadn't
heard. It took them two weeks to reply.
Johannes
--
http://www.musikmanufaktur.com
http:/
A few months ago Bob Morabito (I think it was him -- if not, I apologize
to whomever it was) posted the e-mail addresses of the COO, CTO, CEO and
several others at MakeMusic and posted a copy of the letter he sent
(with CC: to all of them) listing his concerns and complaints and he
urged any/al
No no no. You can't do that. Make them participate on a list? Then
they would have to respond to feedback. They might be confronted
with things that they need to fix. We won't get the new, fluffy
Pokemon notation that will be included in Finale 2009. It will be a
hit with the newly targeted p
On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Daniel Wolfr wrote:
Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more
accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term,
professional
users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c)
iare
either skipping an '08 upgrad
ctober 10, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
On 10.10.2007 Daniel Wolf wrote:
Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more
accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional
users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fi
No no no. You can't do that. Make them participate on a list? Then they
would have to respond to feedback. They might be confronted with things
that they need to fix. We won't get the new, fluffy Pokemon notation
that will be included in Finale 2009. It will be a hit with the newly
targeted pre
I'm a long time user, but not for publishing. I use finale to compose and
arrange for singing groups, including instrument accompaniments which I put on
a sequencer. I upgrade when it looks like an improvement will help me, usually
about every two years. I also monitor the list for others' exper
--- Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would it be possible now, from the list membership,
> to get a more
> accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a
> long-term, professional
> users of Finale,
Long-term, non-professional - current grad student in
musicology, former choir librari
Daniel Wolf:
> From my own informal count on this list, at least twenty established,
> long-term, professional users have indicated that they are not switching
> to '08; most of them indicate that bug fixing is their main concern,
> several of indicated a move to a competing product.
I'm not sure
> I've just reviewed most of the posts dealing with Finale '08, and --
> following what appears to be a consensus around here -- have decided to
> stick with '07 until notice of further improvements in known bugs.
>
> I also took a look at some press statements on the MakeMusic site
> announcing qu
On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I have had serious concerns about bug fixes for a long time.
And, although I haven't decided to not buy Finale 2k8 (I may have
to for compatibility reasons), I will not buy it yet.
I do have serious concerns about the future of Finale in
On 10.10.2007 Daniel Wolf wrote:
Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate
sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of
Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare either skipping
an '08 upgrade or switching to a
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