Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-08 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 09:39, Max Horn wrote: > the 5.0-rc -> 4.999-rc sounds like shit 5.0alpha < 5.0beta < 5.0rc < 5.0rel Someone on debian-devel came up with that once. I think I've remembered it right. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Fwd: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-06 Thread Max Horn
Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: Von: Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: Do, 6. Mär 2003 13:14:15 Europe/Berlin An: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Betreff: Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch Am Donnerstag, 06.03.03 um 04:12 Uhr schrieb Ben Hines: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:14

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-05 Thread Ben Hines
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:14 AM, Max Horn wrote: At 12:29 Uhr -0500 05.03.2003, Benjamin Reed wrote: Max Horn wrote: But my motivation to agree to this is most definitely not due to what the debian policy says. We are not debian! Sure we can look at how they do things, and if we like i

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-05 Thread Max Horn
At 12:29 Uhr -0500 05.03.2003, Benjamin Reed wrote: Max Horn wrote: But my motivation to agree to this is most definitely not due to what the debian policy says. We are not debian! Sure we can look at how they do things, and if we like it, do it the same way, but I feel in no way bound to this.

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-05 Thread Benjamin Reed
Max Horn wrote: But my motivation to agree to this is most definitely not due to what the debian policy says. We are not debian! Sure we can look at how they do things, and if we like it, do it the same way, but I feel in no way bound to this. In particular, they ask to avoid epochs as much as

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-05 Thread Max Horn
At 17:10 Uhr -0800 04.03.2003, Ben Hines wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 05:21 AM, Max Horn wrote: At 22:39 Uhr -0800 03.03.2003, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Justin Hallett wrote: okay %e is great thanks...and I agree, but I think it will be used, I have a numbe

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-05 Thread Max Horn
At 21:56 Uhr -0500 04.03.2003, Kyle Moffett wrote: [...] Exactly, I think that the 'epoch' system is very problematic. Once a package begins using an epoch, it must continue to use the epoch for the remainder of its life, which could be very long, even after many version changes. I doN't see

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 19:37 US/Eastern, Max Horn wrote: At 17:58 Uhr -0500 04.03.2003, Kyle Moffett wrote: On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 17:35 US/Eastern, Justin Hallett wrote: I'm about to release proftpd 1.2.8 final and RC2 is in unstable ATM and this is what I'm gonna do, unless someone obj

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Ben Hines
On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 05:21 AM, Max Horn wrote: Quite apparently we have different stances on this. So, please explain, how exactly do you think this version fudging should work, w/o confusing users by using completly different versions than the rest of the world for a given package? I

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Ben Hines
On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 05:21 AM, Max Horn wrote: At 22:39 Uhr -0800 03.03.2003, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Justin Hallett wrote: okay %e is great thanks...and I agree, but I think it will be used, I have a number of rc pkgs. It is almost good that it is not

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Max Horn
At 17:58 Uhr -0500 04.03.2003, Kyle Moffett wrote: On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 17:35 US/Eastern, Justin Hallett wrote: I'm about to release proftpd 1.2.8 final and RC2 is in unstable ATM and this is what I'm gonna do, unless someone objects in the next hmm 30 minutes :) Current: 1.2.8RC2-1 New: 1.2

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 17:56 US/Eastern, Max Horn wrote: Uh this is exactly the abusive notation I mentioned above. It would mean using a completly different version than upstream. With Ben's suggestion at least it looks identical if you don't look to closely... So users will know what it i

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Justin Hallett
nope, it does work causes - is higher then R Kyle Moffett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I don't think that will work, as 8RC2 > 8 from dpkg's point of view. >This should >have originally been done as > %v=1.2.7. %r=1.2.8rc2-1 > or > %v=1.2.8 %r=0-1.2.8rc2-1 -=[JFH] Justin

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 17:35 US/Eastern, Justin Hallett wrote: I'm about to release proftpd 1.2.8 final and RC2 is in unstable ATM and this is what I'm gonna do, unless someone objects in the next hmm 30 minutes :) Current: 1.2.8RC2-1 New: 1.2.8-Final-1 I don't think that will work, as 8RC2 >

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Max Horn
At 17:38 Uhr -0500 04.03.2003, Kyle Moffett wrote: On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 09:01 US/Eastern, Benjamin Reed wrote: Max Horn wrote: E.g. take the example of 5.0-RC1 followed by 5.0. What do you propse should be done here to make it debian version compliant? 4.9 and 5.0 ? or 5.0 and 5.0a ? O

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Justin Hallett
I'm about to release proftpd 1.2.8 final and RC2 is in unstable ATM and this is what I'm gonna do, unless someone objects in the next hmm 30 minutes :) Current: 1.2.8RC2-1 New: 1.2.8-Final-1 Kyle Moffett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Here is something I have seen done with Debian. It makes >less

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 09:01 US/Eastern, Benjamin Reed wrote: Max Horn wrote: E.g. take the example of 5.0-RC1 followed by 5.0. What do you propse should be done here to make it debian version compliant? 4.9 and 5.0 ? or 5.0 and 5.0a ? Or what? None of them seems appealing to me. Both c

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Sylvain Cuaz
Le mardi, 4 mars 2003, à 15:34 Europe/Paris, Max Horn a écrit : At 9:01 Uhr -0500 04.03.2003, Benjamin Reed wrote: Max Horn wrote: E.g. take the example of 5.0-RC1 followed by 5.0. What do you propse should be done here to make it debian version compliant? 4.9 and 5.0 ? or 5.0 and 5.0a ? Or

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Max Horn
At 9:01 Uhr -0500 04.03.2003, Benjamin Reed wrote: Max Horn wrote: E.g. take the example of 5.0-RC1 followed by 5.0. What do you propse should be done here to make it debian version compliant? 4.9 and 5.0 ? or 5.0 and 5.0a ? Or what? None of them seems appealing to me. Both can potentially c

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Benjamin Reed
Max Horn wrote: E.g. take the example of 5.0-RC1 followed by 5.0. What do you propse should be done here to make it debian version compliant? 4.9 and 5.0 ? or 5.0 and 5.0a ? Or what? None of them seems appealing to me. Both can potentially conflict with actual version of the package (e.g. th

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-04 Thread Max Horn
At 22:39 Uhr -0800 03.03.2003, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Justin Hallett wrote: okay %e is great thanks...and I agree, but I think it will be used, I have a number of rc pkgs. It is almost good that it is not documented. It really should not be used except in grave c

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Rohan Lloyd
On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Ben Hines wrote: Particularly never add a "-RC1" or something similar just "because you can use epoch to correct it later". It is better to not package that version, or if you must, fudge the version so it works with dpkg's system. If you see a strange v

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Ben Hines
On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Justin Hallett wrote: okay %e is great thanks...and I agree, but I think it will be used, I have a number of rc pkgs. It is almost good that it is not documented. It really should not be used except in grave circumstances. If you have to fudge version nu

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Chris Zubrzycki
On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Justin Hallett wrote: okay %e is great thanks...and I agree, but I think it will be used, I have a number of rc pkgs. Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes there is: %e (see PkgVersion.pm, line 136). Cause I think it'd be nice to have if we start using

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Justin Hallett
okay %e is great thanks...and I agree, but I think it will be used, I have a number of rc pkgs. Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Yes there is: %e (see PkgVersion.pm, line 136). > >>Cause I think it'd be nice to have if we start using Epoch more and more. > >Well, epochs should only be used as

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Max Horn
At 12:26 Uhr -0700 03.03.2003, Justin Hallett wrote: hehe np, I was just listing them for dmalloc to document or to have record of it for others... is there an Epoch version percent expantion var? Yes there is: %e (see PkgVersion.pm, line 136). Cause I think it'd be nice to have if we start using

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Justin Hallett
hehe np, I was just listing them for dmalloc to document or to have record of it for others... is there an Epoch version percent expantion var? Cause I think it'd be nice to have if we start using Epoch more and more. Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Yup yup, it still needs to be properly do

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Max Horn
At 11:29 Uhr -0700 03.03.2003, Justin Hallett wrote: since I think i was the first to try and use the new Epoch in fink 0.12, I think the docs are very limited and completly unclear. First there should be an example secondly ppl must know to add it to the Splittoffs as well as the Main pkg dependin

[Fink-devel] Epoch

2003-03-03 Thread Justin Hallett
since I think i was the first to try and use the new Epoch in fink 0.12, I think the docs are very limited and completly unclear. First there should be an example secondly ppl must know to add it to the Splittoffs as well as the Main pkg depending on the shlibs should have Depends: %N-shlibs (= :%

Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch support

2003-01-22 Thread Ben Hines
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 07:09 AM, Max Horn wrote: In case anybody is interested in working on epoch support in Fink: Sylvain started work on this (see https://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detail&aid=607742&group_id=17203&atid=317203), but there were some issues, and

[Fink-devel] Epoch support

2003-01-22 Thread Max Horn
In case anybody is interested in working on epoch support in Fink: Sylvain started work on this (see https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=607742&group_id=17203&atid=317203), but there were some issues, and apparently he has no time currently to work on it. So if your are in