Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-14 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
This is probably a moot point, but being the platform flash is and its ability to manipulate objects and apply code to the interactions of the objects in an easy user friendly layout, it would seem that Adobe would look into enabling flash to pick if it used ActionScript or Javascript or even a

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-14 Thread David Hunter
I think the fact that this list is pretty inactive says it all. I'm freelancing at an agency right now who I make AIR apps for. I used to make a lot of them for a few years, but recently I think they are looking more and more at html5/js solutions. A few years ago I used to make Flash websites for

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-10 Thread Kevin Newman
That seems to be mostly about ASNext/AVMNext which has since been canned, and the developers moved not back to AS3, but to webkit and other web tech. Kevin N. On 5/10/13 7:20 AM, John McCormack wrote: Alex Harui at Adobe had these interesting things to say: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/grou

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-10 Thread Kevin Newman
Gospel. Kevin N. On 5/9/13 11:18 AM, James Merrill wrote: >From my perspective as a former Flash Developer at an Ad agency, I can't imagine us getting any more serious Flash work. These days we still use Flash for banner ads, but that's it. We've tried using Adobe Edge to do HTML5 banners, but

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-10 Thread John McCormack
Alex Harui at Adobe had these interesting things to say: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/165517 John ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread tom rhodes
the differences in the flash and createJS apis? or the state of affairs? ;) no offence meant Mike, just the way it has played out has left a bitter taste in a lot of peoples mouths I'd reckon. I've personally lost income through it for sure as I now have to convince people that my skills are trans

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Chambers
Just an fyi, but this is something that we are working on addressing. mike chambers m...@adobe.com On May 9, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Weyert de Boer wrote: > I think the main issue with EDGE is that it generates such big files. I > haven't been able to create a useful banner animation with it. Well,

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread tom rhodes
Did adobe really advance the state of the art with flash though? they did stuff that the community was screaming for and had been for a long time. It was often buggy too. CreteJS is very nice, and it's only just started so I expect it to get better. For the web I've already done a couple of things

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Jon Bradley
Yea, that's why it's excellent for demoware. The suite clearly allows creatives to demonstrate work and it adds a fair amount of value to prototyping/demo work. In the keynote, we saw Photoshop to Edge Reflow export – a very useful step to PS CC to export graphics quickly and have them in-place

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Weyert de Boer
I think the main issue with EDGE is that it generates such big files. I haven't been able to create a useful banner animation with it. Well, one that meets the maximum file size for a HTML5 banner. Only the Edge script is already bigger ;) Yes, I have to admit CreateJS looks promising. > Thanks

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread James Merrill
Thanks for the link Mike, it seems that CreateJS is definitely a step in the right direction. I'm still not sold on Adobe's EDGE suite though... I am afraid that I'll always be skeptical of generated HTML after seeing Dreamweaver's design view. I also know from experience that including Adobe Edge

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Jon Bradley
Nice to see you're still lurking, mesh :) CreateJS looks interesting and I've toyed with it a bit. Some of the new integration opportunities with Flash CC will be interesting to check out. However, it'll be primarily a toy and best for demo work until (and if) Adobe can create a clear professio

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Chambers
Check out CreateJS: http://www.createjs.com/ Includes the ability to export from Flash Pro. mike chambers m...@adobe.com On May 8, 2013, at 8:30 AM, "Liu, Peter" wrote: > Why can't Adobe make HTML5 as one of the publishing options, then we can > continue to use Flash without the need to lea

RE: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Marco Terrinoni
...@mularam.com  w: www.mularam.com -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of James Merrill Sent: 09 May 2013 16:19 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future >From my persp

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread James Merrill
>From my perspective as a former Flash Developer at an Ad agency, I can't imagine us getting any more serious Flash work. These days we still use Flash for banner ads, but that's it. We've tried using Adobe Edge to do HTML5 banners, but it was an awful experience. I rest ALL of my blame on Adobe fo

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Newman
On 5/8/13 2:20 PM, John R. Sweeney Jr. wrote: Please tell me another software that I can build an app that runs on PC/MAC/Linux/iPad/Android/Web (non-mobile)? NME / haXe, or with a bit of additional work, Xamarin (with the various Mono ports) - or Unity3D - based on the same tech. There are doz

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
Sorry, but when someone says that HTML5 is replacing what can be done in Flash, I can't take them seriously. Flash made what you built look and act the same in all browsers. HTML5 is going the same path as every previous version. Features working some the same, some differently, some not at all

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
And it will only get better with Flash Professional CC. :) http://www.adobe.com/products/flash.html John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 On May 8, 2013, at 1:28 PM, natalia Vikhtinskaya wrote: > > But they did n

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread mike g
Have a look at what this guy has to say on the topic, it's worth a read: (was posted Apr 26, 2013) http://duboiseric.wordpress.com/category/is-flash-dead/ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
Of course the did!!! There are over 500,000 apps up in the store. The 25k+ are native Flash builds. John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 On May 8, 2013, at 1:28 PM, natalia Vikhtinskaya wrote: > But they did not

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
I've just brought 4 educational games (originally built) for the desktop, 2 where projectors apps and two where AIR. All four are up in the iTunes store for sale on iPads. I'm doing 6 more and then building one from scratch specifically for the iPad in Flash. Haven't done a website in three yea

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Matt S.
"Dead" might have been too strong, admittedly. But it's a hard sell. Partly because every client has an iPad these days, and if their content doesn't work on their iPad, all hell breaks loose, so its easier to dumb it down to work with JS/CSS-based solutions. And yes, there are amazing Flash sites

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread natalia Vikhtinskaya
> Right now there are over 25,000+ apps in the App store and/or iTunes. But they did not create in Flash I think. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
I know many Flash developers that moved over to xCode or Java/Javascript. John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 On May 8, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: > Adobe not so much. _

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
Right now there are over 25,000+ apps in the App store and/or iTunes. John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 On May 8, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: > heck AIR is - in fact, many still operate under the "Fla

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
I don't think its a niche… Please tell me another software that I can build an app that runs on PC/MAC/Linux/iPad/Android/Web (non-mobile)? Till they have one, I can support all the platforms my clients want right now. John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Intera

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Newman
That seems to be Adobe's general problem. They are very reactive, like used car salesmen. "You want HTML5? Boy have we got HTML5! Clouds? We got clouds - on sale this week only!" Technology companies can't succeed that way. Kevin N. On 5/8/13 1:58 PM, John R. Sweeney Jr. wrote: Adobe didn'

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Newman
That's what I mean by I think of Flash as Directory/Shockwave. It's not dead, it's just not the job engine it was for a while. It's a much harder sell - but it's still possible, and still has its niches. I still think Adobe could do some things to make it easier, even if they don't actively pr

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Newman
On 5/8/13 1:16 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: Personally, I still love Flash. I miss that I don't use it as often these days. A few thoughts: 1. Correct me if I'm wrong, as it's not my industry, but isn't Flash still one of the popular tools to use for video animation? It was popular for certain types

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
Adobe didn't even make any kind of an announcement or anything. I'm a AUG manager and didn't hear about it there, but on LinkedIn when someone posted their 3D game, created in a pre-release version of D12 and running on a iPad. And running QUITE well I might add. :) John R. Sweeney Jr. Senio

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Micky Hulse
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM, John R. Sweeney Jr. wrote: > And Director 12 came out a little while ago and compiles out to iPad. :) Wha??? That blows my mind. I thought Director was dead. Shows what I know! :D So, is it any good these days? Director was a fun animation tool back when I used i

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
And Director 12 came out a little while ago and compiles out to iPad. :) John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 On May 8, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > Then again, I'd hate to see Flash go the way of Direc

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Micky Hulse
Personally, I still love Flash. I miss that I don't use it as often these days. A few thoughts: 1. Correct me if I'm wrong, as it's not my industry, but isn't Flash still one of the popular tools to use for video animation? 2. I love AS3! I'd take AS3 and the Flash GUI over HTML5 any day. 3. We d

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread natalia Vikhtinskaya
Matt, If we need to have animation/cartoon or games on iPad and Android what is the programme for both platform? Do you mean that Flash can be used for both and that is why it has potential? What the tech word can offer in this situation? 2013/5/8 Matt S. : > It's effectively dead in the browser

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
It's dead on the MOBILE browser. There are tons of sites still using the power of Flash. http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/best-flash-sites John R. Sweeney Jr. Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer OnDemand Interactive Inc Hoffman Estates, IL 60169 On May 8, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Matt S.

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Henrik Andersson
Liu, Peter skriver: > Why can't Adobe make HTML5 as one of the publishing options, then we can > continue to use Flash without the need to learn another program? > Because HTML5 doesn't do a good job at vector animation. The Flash runtime is quite powerful. And it is difficult to replicate so mu

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Matt S.
It's effectively dead in the browser, except for some niche markets (game dev, children's content, educational), but it will survive for a long time, and has some potential in App and Game development across platforms. The real problem is that in the tech world, being perceived as last-years techn

RE: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Liu, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:24 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future I think of Flash the way I think of Shockwave. There is still work out there, but not much, and less every minute. Kevin N. On 5/8/13 10:40 AM, natalia Vikhtinskaya wrote: > Hi >

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Kevin Newman
I think of Flash the way I think of Shockwave. There is still work out there, but not much, and less every minute. Kevin N. On 5/8/13 10:40 AM, natalia Vikhtinskaya wrote: Hi What do you think about Flash technology in the near future? It is a pity but it seems that almost all clients have n

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread Cédric Muller
Flash will be here for the years to come. Gladly, it isn't the sexy thing where trendy buzzers are. So, there are less projects, but projects are still flowing here, at least on the top high client part. I have no future, but Flash has one. Just look at all those HTML5 bad designs ;) Le 8 mai 2

[Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-08 Thread natalia Vikhtinskaya
Hi What do you think about Flash technology in the near future? It is a pity but it seems that almost all clients have no interest in Flash projects. Do you think Adobe Flash has no future? Where to move from Flash? Thanks ___ Flashcoders mailing list Fl