Re: [Flightgear-devel] external fdm

2003-03-11 Thread Chris Tulloch
Dunno which windows your using, but 95/98 its in the progam tree of the start button..think called dos prompt, or sumthin similarNT/2000 use cmd.exe at the run command, or shortcut to it in the system32 dir, .. ME not sure of, and never seen XP... Chris Tulloch On Wednesday 12 March 2003

[Flightgear-devel] external fdm

2003-03-11 Thread Mehmet Velicangil
I have downloaded a matlab-simulink program that uses flightgear interface. For a flight dynamics model it requires external fdm so I command from that program and visualise in flight gear.  My question is how can I change the flight dynamics model to the external type. I read that batch fil

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..OT: cvs as company data backup server engine?

2003-03-11 Thread Danie Heath
Hi, A few days ago I couldn't even spell CVS, and then I implemented it for our company. It definitely is not worth it if the user's aren't clued up. I added Perl scripts, web interfaces, you name it. But unfortunately, the user factor always come into play... Just my thoughts ... Kind Regard

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
David Megginson writes: > >From what I understand, one of the other joys of a multi-axis > autopilot is the risk of runway elevator trim. For "runway" read "runaway". All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: > > I understand that some new autopilots for small planes are > > tolerant of turbulence, but that most are not -- you risk > > creating excessive stresses. > > Absolutely amazing. Not so much -- consider the problem: every time the AP sees a deviation, it will try to co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 18:13, David Megginson wrote: > Tony Peden writes: > > > It's almost a waste to put the thing there to begin with. Yaw > > dampers can make a *big* difference in turbulence. > > I understand that some new autopilots for small planes are > tolerant of turbulence, but that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: > It's almost a waste to put the thing there to begin with. Yaw > dampers can make a *big* difference in turbulence. I understand that some new autopilots for small planes are tolerant of turbulence, but that most are not -- you risk creating excessive stresses. All the be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower --> ASI and nav still broken!

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: > - ALL planes show a discrepancy between the HUD speed readout and ASI > on the panel. If the HUD shows IAS, why does the ASI show less at > altitude? (They agree at sea level.) The HUD shows CAS, actually. We're not modelling errors deliberately right now, but eventually

re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
paul mccann writes: > I tried the updated c310 tonight, and to me it seemed very stable and a > big improvement. Now when you fly a ILS approach you can concentrate on > the approach as opposed to just trying to keep right side up! > Thanks. Thanks for the feedback. I may rearrange the co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 07:50, David Megginson wrote: > Michael Selig writes: > > > Some "real" numbers on the 310 are in one of Roskam's books, and > > those same numbers are in the fgfs base package here: > > ~fgfsbase/Aircraft-uiuc/Cessna310/aircraft.dat > > Yes, I took my numbers from Roskam

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower --> ASI and nav still broken!

2003-03-11 Thread Major A
> > My UUCP connection is broken this afternoon, so I can't directly reply to > > dave's mail. Nevertheless I tried his patch - yet without success: > > > > OK, I think I've fixed it now - if you could try it again that would be great. Seems to be OK now. I've just tested a few planes. Here is

[Flightgear-devel] c310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread paul mccann
Dave I tried the updated c310 tonight, and to me it seemed very stable and a big improvement. Now when you fly a ILS approach you can concentrate on the approach as opposed to just trying to keep right side up! Thanks. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mai

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower

2003-03-11 Thread Dave
Martin Spott wrote: > My UUCP connection is broken this afternoon, so I can't directly reply to > dave's mail. Nevertheless I tried his patch - yet without success: > OK, I think I've fixed it now - if you could try it again that would be great. Cheers - Dave __

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..OT: cvs as company data backup server engine?

2003-03-11 Thread Major A
> ..my idea is use cvs as a data backup server engine to _promptly_ > back up whatever new file is saved, to cvs, and instead do > the backup to the tape, off the cvs "code" base, rather than > the traditional way, full, incremental, differential etc, off > the file systems, every hour, day, w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower

2003-03-11 Thread David Drum
Quoth D Luff: > Hmm, I'll have a think. If there's no resolution soon or if others > start getting bitten by this I'll back this stuff out. > > > This fault also as a nice side - I'm getting forced to learn about > > using CVS to update my local tree to a repository's former state ;-) > > You

[Flightgear-devel] ..OT: cvs as company data backup server engine?

2003-03-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..it _is_ OT: cvs as company data backup server engine? ..I'm doing a company data backup server for a client, and while I like to keep thing simple but _firmly_ solid, and it struck me I could get _paid_ to take the time to do something useful to FG too; learn to use cvs. ;-) ..my ide

re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
paul mccann writes: > I have not had a chance to update to the latest cvs version yet, but > will tonight and will let you know as soon as I do. One of the manuals > I have is dated 1969, and the other does not have a date but list models > covered. They look to be from about the same era

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: internal GPS support

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Danie Heath writes: > My copy of FGFS shows all the information below in the property browser, > but only exports the value of 0 ... I then checked any of the other > properties, and they export just fine ... I also tried the telnet route, > and exactly the same happened ... do you have any id

[Flightgear-devel] c310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread paul mccann
Dave I have not had a chance to update to the latest cvs version yet, but will tonight and will let you know as soon as I do. One of the manuals I have is dated 1969, and the other does not have a date but list models covered. They look to be from about the same era though. Paul

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower

2003-03-11 Thread D Luff
On 11 Mar 2003 at 20:17, Martin Spott wrote: > My UUCP connection is broken this afternoon, so I can't directly reply to > dave's mail. Nevertheless I tried his patch - yet without success: Hmm, I'll have a think. If there's no resolution soon or if others start getting bitten by this I'll bac

re: [Flightgear-devel] c-310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
paul mccann writes: > I don't recall it having a yaw damper though. I have a owners > manual I could send you if you if you want it. I have a 310 OM from around 1970 (not that I'm likely to fly a twin any time soon). In that, the autopilot is optional equipment, so it's clearly not part of ai

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower

2003-03-11 Thread Major A
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. > 0x080a1434 in FGTower::Update() (this=0xa71a2d8) at tower.cxx:171 > 171 ground->SetDisplay(); > (gdb) bt > #0 0x080a1434 in FGTower::Update() (this=0xa71a2d8) at tower.cxx:171 > #1 0x0808bb81 in FGATCMgr::update(d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: internal GPS support

2003-03-11 Thread Danie Heath
Hi all, My copy of FGFS shows all the information below in the property browser, but only exports the value of 0 ... I then checked any of the other properties, and they export just fine ... I also tried the telnet route, and exactly the same happened ... do you have any ideas how I can fix it ?

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Segmentation fault in FGTower

2003-03-11 Thread Martin Spott
My UUCP connection is broken this afternoon, so I can't directly reply to dave's mail. Nevertheless I tried his patch - yet without success: End common FDM init YASim solution results: Iterations: 502 Drag Coefficient: 30.2174 Lift Ratio: 120.297 Cruise AoA: 0.190143 Tail

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:12:33 -0800 (PST) Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that FlightGear will work best if we make a clean separation between the physics engine (FDM) and higher-level logic like autopilots and navigational systems. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c-310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Just to add to what Paul said, I had a conversation with my boss today about this thread. He owns one of the 100 or so Gruman Cougars built, which is a light twin very much like the 310. In summary he said that his Cougar pretty much handles and feels the same as the Tiger (single) he used to fl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:10:44 -0500 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon S Berndt writes: I understand that it would be convenient for an FCS to be built-into standalone JSBSim, but in FlightGear, as long as the FDMs publish all of the information that an FCS would need as input, we can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
On 11 Mar 2003 17:52:00 + Christopher S Horler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blender can skin profiles, that's how I created my spitfire wings. Does it work in windows? Link? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Tony Peden
--- David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Wilson writes: > > > Then we just need an interface to be able to turn yaw damping on > or off? > > That scares me a bit. Our current FGInterface class for the FDMs is > already terrifying. I'm hoping to start trimming it down soon and > re

[Flightgear-devel] c-310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread paul mccann
I couldn't agree more, I flew the c-310 back in the 80's on a night mail run, and found it very stable to fly. It had sort of a big airplane feel and pretty much stayed were you put it. The other thing that I think is off a little on the flight-gear model, is when you put full flaps and ge

Re: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon S Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > In my quick viewing of the AC3D documents this morning I > thought I had seen that AC3D could create a surface given > "formers" placed appropriately. This would be very useful > if one has cross sections of a vehicle. Have you tried > this feature? Ye

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Tony Peden
--- David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Selig writes: > > > Some "real" numbers on the 310 are in one of Roskam's books, and > > those same numbers are in the fgfs base package here: > > ~fgfsbase/Aircraft-uiuc/Cessna310/aircraft.dat > > Yes, I took my numbers from Roskam as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Christopher S Horler
Blender can skin profiles, that's how I created my spitfire wings. On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 17:03, Jon S Berndt wrote: > In my quick viewing of the AC3D documents this morning I > thought I had seen that AC3D could create a surface given > "formers" placed appropriately. This would be very useful

RE: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Christopher S Horler
Jim, I like the model, after I get back from holiday I'll get out my spitfire model and do some more work on that. Just need a few german fighters now a 109 would be nice. Chris On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 13:36, Jim Wilson wrote: > Jon Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > If it's not too much

[Flightgear-devel] GPS and Linux

2003-03-11 Thread Rich Bowen
I just saw a message that you sent: http://seneca.me.umn.edu/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-October/012030.html I wondered if you could send me the script, or tell me how I might do this. I know Perl. I know almost nothing about GPS except that it's probably the coolest toy I've ever played with.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Matthew Johnson
Not so much of a technical issue, but I found Andy to be very responsive and even got me started on my "pirate" and answered probably quite basic questions. Something to consider too imho :). Matt. On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Jon S Berndt wrote: > In my quick viewing of the AC3D documents this morning

Re: [Flightgear-devel] segmentation fault in FGTower ??

2003-03-11 Thread David Luff
On 3/11/03 at 4:45 PM Martin Spott wrote: >Hello, >I'm quite new to reading GDB output, so I thought I'd preset this to you. >Primarily I was looking after X server freezes with my Radeon card but this >appears to me to be FlightGear related. So I thought I'd just ask. > >GNU gdb 5.2.1 >[...] >(gd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: > Then we just need an interface to be able to turn yaw damping on or off? That scares me a bit. Our current FGInterface class for the FDMs is already terrifying. I'm hoping to start trimming it down soon and relying more on properties (as already happens for all new feature

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Jon S Berndt writes: > Perhaps, but it's different for each type of aircraft. > This is exactly the functionality that would be built into > JSBSim, given our versatile FCS arrangement. I don't view > this as an autopilot kind of feature, but stability > augmentation. The X-15 has this ki

Re: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
In my quick viewing of the AC3D documents this morning I thought I had seen that AC3D could create a surface given "formers" placed appropriately. This would be very useful if one has cross sections of a vehicle. Have you tried this feature? I was also impressed that it would let you place 3Vi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:12:48 - "Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Is this a mesh, or what? I'm trying out AC3D, now. Take a look at this: http://www.wingswithwires.com/chickencoop/se5a/index.htm This is way cool. I've been looking for a tool that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon S Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > >There's also no reason to include yaw dampers in the individual FDMs > >-- we should be able to handle that in our FlightGear autopilot > >module. > > Perhaps, but it's different for each type of aircraft. > This is exactly the functionality that wou

[Flightgear-devel] JSBsim model origin

2003-03-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Bringing this up again is a little scary, but was JSBsim changed to report position at a fixed point on the airframe? IIRC we talked about reporting the nose position. The view code has been modified to handle this, so I'm just wondering where we are at so I can get the p-51d 3-D correct. Best

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:51:52 -0500 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon Berndt writes: > I am 90% sure that the Ixx we use for the -310 is empty weight > Ixx. That means of course that I am 22% not sure. When I put together the original 310 JSBSim config file (my first one, I think)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:50:04 -0500 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JSBSim, on the other hand, assumes no fuel in the tanks, and does an additional calculation of the moment for the fuel when the tanks are full. Hence our (possible) problem. It is possible to calculate offline, and log

RE: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I did start the conversion (the easy part of it) and on closer > > examination it > > the model really isn't as great as I thought it was. So I've > > started building > > one of my own: > > > > http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/p51d-01.png > > Is this a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt writes: > I am 90% sure that the Ixx we use for the -310 is empty weight > Ixx. That means of course that I am 22% not sure. When I put together the original 310 JSBSim config file (my first one, I think), I simply copied the numbers from Roskam -- they appear to be unchanged since t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C310 more stable

2003-03-11 Thread David Megginson
Michael Selig writes: > Some "real" numbers on the 310 are in one of Roskam's books, and > those same numbers are in the fgfs base package here: > ~fgfsbase/Aircraft-uiuc/Cessna310/aircraft.dat Yes, I took my numbers from Roskam as well. > Personally, given the ability of fgfs to do a fairly

[Flightgear-devel] segmentation fault in FGTower ??

2003-03-11 Thread Martin Spott
Hello, I'm quite new to reading GDB output, so I thought I'd preset this to you. Primarily I was looking after X server freezes with my Radeon card but this appears to me to be FlightGear related. So I thought I'd just ask. GNU gdb 5.2.1 [...] (gdb) r Starting program: /usr/local/FlightGear/bin/fg

[Flightgear-devel] Shuttle Radar Topography Mission

2003-03-11 Thread Norman Vine
First release of large area SRTM images < currently North America only > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/ This might test the servers a bit at first so try again later if they are slow Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] tyre squeak

2003-03-11 Thread Luke Scharf
On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 13:24, David Megginson wrote: > Luke Scharf writes: > > > I've noticed in my car that the tires squeal much more easily on hot > > days (>=85 degrees F, >=29 degrees C ) - so I'd imagine that it's > > similar for airplanes. On cooler days, my car tires just make a > > sc

RE: [Flightgear-devel] P-51D

2003-03-11 Thread Jon Berndt
> I did start the conversion (the easy part of it) and on closer > examination it > the model really isn't as great as I thought it was. So I've > started building > one of my own: > > http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/p51d-01.png Is this a mesh, or what? I'm trying out AC3D, now. Jon smime.p7

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGTransmissionList

2003-03-11 Thread Alexander Kappes
Hi Jon, sorry that I haven't answered earlier but I have only limited computer access at the moment. Thanks Dave that you solved the problem. Cheers Alexander On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, David Luff wrote: > Jon Berndt wrote: > > >David Luff wrote: > > > You could try replacing > > > > > > bcopy(pos,