On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Martin Spott wrote:
> a) Unload the kernel's GART module during the autodetection and load
>NVidia's special kernel module,
Nope - it'll use kernel GART, or its own internal one.
> b) replace the OpenGL libraries,
The installer does this automatically
> c) run a specia
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> a) Unload the kernel's GART module during the autodetection and load
>>NVidia's special kernel module,
> Nvidia's kernel module does have an AGP driver, but it is smart enough
> to not activate this portion of the driver if the linux GART module
Martin Spott wrote:
> a) Unload the kernel's GART module during the autodetection and load
>NVidia's special kernel module,
> b) replace the OpenGL libraries,
> c) run a special X Server.
Martin, just stop this flaming; "b" is true. "a" and "c" are not, and
have never been.
NVidia's drivers
Martin writes:
> It became sort of a hobby to collect used Unix workstations. I have
> an Octane with MXI graphics and TRAM as workplace at home, but this
> machine (only 195 MHz) turned out not being able to keep up with
> recent development. Its CPU is simply too slow and can't cope with
> all th
Hi Martin,
Martin Spott writes:
> Especially the mess with NVidia's drivers is the manufacturer's fault.
> ATI at least _tries_ to conform with the standards proposed by the DRI.
> With ATI you can copy the DRI driver module and the kernel module
> (after tweaking the build script) to the appropri
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Spott writes:
>> Not many, but on the other hand you won't have much trouble with the
>> BIOS when you think about a standalone FlightGear CD. Dealing with a
>> bunch of different kernel modules for autodetecting different vendors'
>> cards migh
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I do look out for drivers _before_ I buy a card for my or my customers'
>> PeeCee (currently I don't even own a PC ;-)
>
> Is it sgi machines that you run on?
It became sort of a hobby to collect used Unix workstations. I have an
Octane with MXI g
Alex Perry writes:
> From: Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Jon Stockill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
> > Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
> > drivers ? You are developing OpenSource softw
From: Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Jon Stockill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
> Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
> drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why don't you take
> car
Martin Spott writes:
> Not many, but on the other hand you won't have much trouble with the
> BIOS when you think about a standalone FlightGear CD. Dealing with a
> bunch of different kernel modules for autodetecting different vendors'
> cards might prove to end in a huge mess. This _is_ very pragm
"Norman Vine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Taking the paragmatic route a little further --
> I wonder how many machines running FGFS are running with an
> Open Source BIOS ?
Not many, but on the other hand you won't have much trouble with the
BIOS when you think about a standalone FlightGear CD
Martin Spott writes:
> Jon Stockill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
>
> Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
> drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why don't you take
> care of that. I
Jon Stockill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why don't you take
care of that. I can't accept this as a valid argum
Curtis L. Olson writes:
>
> But personally, I don't mind if
> FlightGear runs on top of proprietary operating systems or drivers
> such as Mac OS, sgi, windows, solaris, or a binary nvidia driver on
> linux. There needs to be a balance between idealism and pragmatism.
Taking the paragmatic route
Martin Spott writes:
> Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
> >> I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
>
> > I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
> > too many nVidia card users, an
Martin Spott wrote:
As you already said:
"[...] The problems with licenses of different proprietary graphic
cards aren't such a great motivation."
I second that. Why shouldn't people use cards with OpenSource drivers
for a presentation of an OpenSource flight simulator ?
FlightGear developers are
Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
>> I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
> I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
> too many nVidia card users, and no open source 3D drivers for t
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
> * Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
> > I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
>
> I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
> too many nVidia card users, and no open source 3D drivers fo
* Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
> I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
too many nVidia card users, and no open source 3D drivers for them.
m.
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Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] But I don't feel like making a fgfs CD. The problems with
> licenses of different proprietary graphic cards aren't such a great
> motivation.
I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff. There
are enough cards with OpenSource d
* Melchior FRANZ -- Saturday 20 December 2003 23:21:
> I've successfully remastered a Knoppix CD and made my own favor
flavor :-]
m.
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* Martin Spott -- Saturday 20 December 2003 19:36:
> I've already been investigating the Knoppix a few months ago - but for
> whatever reason I didn't find out how people are extracting the
> necessary base for sevral projects that use Knoppix.
I've successfully remastered a Knoppix CD and made my
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