Re: [Flightgear-devel] Time of Day dialog update

2007-11-29 Thread Thomas Förster
Am Mittwoch 28 November 2007 schrieb Stuart Buchanan: > Melchior wrote: > ... > > - unclear wording: "Environment Rate: [+][-]" > > What is an environment rate? :-) > > I thought it was clearer for new users than "Time Warp delta". I've > changed this to Time Warp. How about "Sim Time Rate [-]

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Hi, during the last days I tested FG 0.9.11 Pre using several different scenarios, of course related to my personal interests and therefore only a subset of FG's possibilities. Generally spoken, this is a very stable running version on my system (OpenSUSE 10.2). I could not see any big problems,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Time of Day dialog update

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Stuart Buchanan -- Wednesday 28 November 2007: [http://www.nanjika.co.uk/flightgear/timeofday.xml] Looks good now. Committed. I'll possibly replace the [Close] button by a window-style close button in the upper right corner, as this is a dialog that people may have opened for a while, especiall

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Time of Day dialog update

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Thomas Förster -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > How about "Sim Time Rate [-][+][Real Time]". I don't think newbies know > what 'time warp' is As said in the other email: I didn't criticize "Environment Rate" to favor "Time Warp". Both might be unclear. I've committed for now, and we can later c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Georg Vollnhals wrote: > 4. 3D clouds crash > Selecting 3D clouds in the rendering menu crashes FlightGear after > closing the window. When used as a startup parameter FlightGear does not > run. > Do I remember right that this is an older problem and depending on the > video-d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Time of Day dialog update

2007-11-29 Thread Thomas Förster
Am Donnerstag 29 November 2007 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: > * Thomas Förster -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > How about "Sim Time Rate [-][+][Real Time]". I don't think newbies know > > what 'time warp' is > > As said in the other email: I didn't criticize "Environment Rate" > to favor "Time Warp". B

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Keyboard reorg

2007-11-29 Thread gerard robin
On jeu 29 novembre 2007, AnMaster wrote: > LeeE wrote: > > > > Re the secondary flight controls, we need to allow for separate ground > > steering and rudder control, in addition to differential braking - with > > tandem and quadracycle landing gear you need to steer independently in > > cross-win

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Anders Gidenstam wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Georg Vollnhals wrote: > >> 4. 3D clouds crash >> Selecting 3D clouds in the rendering menu crashes FlightGear after >> closing the window. When used as a startup parameter FlightGear does not >> run. >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Georg Vollnhals wrote: [...] > 2. Triangle distorted sky also with Anthrax GUI > Although using the Anthrax-GUI, the sky gets "triangulated" when using a > submenu with (orange???) input-fields. This "triangle" distortion > disappears immediatly afte

Re: [Flightgear-devel] controls.nas

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Markus Zojer -- Wednesday 21 November 2007: > I think this snippet of code fits in better in Nasal/controls.nas than > my local .nas. > wingSweep = func { [...] Committed. (Only did the usual cosmetics, like var, named args, etc.) m. --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nimitz operation menu items

2007-11-29 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi Paul, I'm afraid I cannot add the items you ask for as they stand. The code only works with the existing Nimitz_demo.xml. If any other carrier demo is used, this carrier will be placed in the default Nimitz location by the use of this dialog. A dialog must be generally applicable, not apply to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Hans Fugal
On Nov 29, 2007 4:35 AM, Anders Gidenstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Georg Vollnhals wrote: > > > 4. 3D clouds crash > > Selecting 3D clouds in the rendering menu crashes FlightGear after > > closing the window. When used as a startup parameter FlightGear does not > > run. >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nimitz operation menu items

2007-11-29 Thread gerard robin
On jeu 29 novembre 2007, Vivian Meazza wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I'm afraid I cannot add the items you ask for as they stand. The code only > works with the existing Nimitz_demo.xml. If any other carrier demo is used, > this carrier will be placed in the default Nimitz location by the use of > this dia

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Hans Fugal schrieb: >> > > Is there not a way to sanity check the cloud cache size in the plib > version before going ahead and segfaulting? Like notice that it's 0 > and set it to the lowest valid value. It seems that this would be a > simple fix, and that there's really no excuse not to do i

[Flightgear-devel] Odd sun, not affected by fog.

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 While flying with real weather fetch at ESSA today the sun looked odd. Basically as it was foggy you shouldn't see the sun clearly. This is last plib cvs version. See this url for a picture of the problem: http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Arsenal-VG33 - New directory, NONE, NONE

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
This aircraft thoughtlessly copies over 500 kB sound files from another aircraft, although the sounds aren't even used! Don't do that! 203516 2007-11-29 15:26 Spitfire Flyby.wav 41018 2007-11-29 15:26 Spitfire MK IX.wav 173756 2007-11-29 15:26 merlin_rpm2.wav 86940 2007-11-29 15:26 merli

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Keyboard reorg

2007-11-29 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 29 November 2007 12:29, gerard robin wrote: > On jeu 29 novembre 2007, AnMaster wrote: > > LeeE wrote: > > > Re the secondary flight controls, we need to allow for separate > > > ground steering and rudder control, in addition to differential > > > braking - with tandem and quadracycle

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Hi All, The number of aircraft in CVS continue to grow at a quite incredible rate. We now have over 170, and there aren't enough hours in the day to fly all of them the amount of time that they really deserve. I haven't graphed the number of new aircraft per month, but it certainly feels that n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Why is the cvs up so slow, even when there are no changes? I don't know about CVS but I think svn at least just send the difference between the old and new revision. And svn tend to be faster at updating... /AnMaster Stuart Buchanan wrote: > Hi All

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Stuart Buchanan -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > I wonder if it would be worth moving all the aircraft to a > separate repository. That would mean to download 1 GB of *unchanged* aircraft data just for the reorganization. I'm not thrilled. (Unless someone offers a CVS "skeleton". And a script w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* AnMaster -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > Why is the cvs up so slow, even when there are no changes? > I don't know about CVS but I think svn at least just send the > difference between the old and new revision. So does CVS. > And svn tend to be faster at updating... And it keeps two instanc

[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Preparing the vmap0 Data / TerraGear

2007-11-29 Thread will Pink
Hello, Can anyone help with the attached ? I have checked and everything is there and the permissions are correct. I just really need to get over this hurdle as it is being used in quite a large Flight Simulator project and im delaying its progress! So any help is appreciated! Thanks, Will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread Curtis Olson
On Nov 29, 2007 9:33 AM, Melchior FRANZ <> wrote: > * AnMaster -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > Why is the cvs up so slow, even when there are no changes? > > I don't know about CVS but I think svn at least just send the > > difference between the old and new revision. > > So does CVS. > > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Am Donnerstag, 29. November 2007 14:44 schrieb Hans Fugal: > Is there not a way to sanity check the cloud cache size in the plib > version before going ahead and segfaulting? Like notice that it's 0 > and set it to the lowest valid value. It seems that this would be a > simple fix, and that there's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Melchior wrote: > * Stuart Buchanan -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > I wonder if it would be worth moving all the aircraft to a > > separate repository. > > That would mean to download 1 GB of *unchanged* aircraft data just > for the reorganization. I'm not thrilled. (Unless someone offers > a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Preparing the vmap0 Data / TerraGear

2007-11-29 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi Will, I'm sorry, but I have no idea where this may be coming from. Maybe David Megginson can help. AFAIK he's the original author of the tgvpf stuff. Cheers, Ralf > When I try prepare the vmap0 data with the following command - > > tgvpf --chunk=w080n40 --work-dir=LandMass --area=Default /v

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Stuart Buchanan -- Thursday 29 November 2007: >> I wonder if it would be worth moving all the aircraft to a >> separate repository. > > That would mean to download 1 GB of *unchanged* aircraft data just > for the reorgani

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft repository

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Curtis Olson wrote: > On Nov 29, 2007 9:33 AM, Melchior FRANZ <> wrote: >> And it keeps two instances of every single file. That makes >> 2 GB for all aircraft, rather than CVS' 1 GB. It's easy to >> be quicker at updating, with this "little" help. A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > 3. Winter textures (partially) broken (same for OSG version) That was IIRC caused by Erik's texture cache, which saved several megabytes formerly wasted texture memory, which is an important improvement. He knows about the breakage of his season fe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > That would be easy, but I haven't even committed it, because it > has some problems: Oh, and it doesn't respect the true glide slope angle. It always uses 3 degree, although some have 3.5. (But then again, I'm not sure if fgfs makes a difference, s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: > * Melchior FRANZ -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > >> That would be easy, but I haven't even committed it, because it >> has some problems: >> > > Oh, and it doesn't respect the true glide slope angle. It always > uses 3 degree, although some have 3.5. (But then aga

[Flightgear-devel] Alouette II - Emmanuel Baranger

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Hi Emmanuel, thank you very much for this new helicopter. I like the very nice 3 D model - remembering my youth it was "that" helicopter as used by the German Army and Boarder Forces. Testing FG 0.9.11 I noticed a bad display of the main rotor (even disappears at high rotor rpm) - which is very n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Alouette II - Emmanuel Baranger

2007-11-29 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi Emmanuel, like Georg I really like your new work ( and of Maik too!;-)) very much. The helicopter was very common in Germany and the most pilots learned to fly a helicopter on a Alouette II! There are some things I noticed: -the rotor animation ( like Georg) -the instrument at the second row

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, There are some things I noticed and two suggestion: -If I check "show fps" - it does not appear. I have to enlarge and to downsize the window, or to reset FGF for viewing the fps - stepping clouds at certain weather -3D-clouds crashing - I hope we will get the sugested solution - stutters

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 29 November 2007 20:38:15 Heiko Schulz wrote: > There are some things I noticed and two suggestion: > -If I check "show fps" - it does not appear. > I have to enlarge and to downsize the window, or to > reset FGF for viewing the fps Are you sure you're using the exact --geometry setting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Heiko Schulz wrote: > Hi, > > There are some things I noticed and two suggestion: > > -If I check "show fps" - it does not appear. > I have to enlarge and to downsize the window, or to > reset FGF for viewing the fps FPS counter show nice here but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Heiko Schulz -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > - stutters with any helicopters at the ground- lifting > up is a big problem cause to the stutters. If the heli > is in the air the stutters disappear [...] Sounds like the effect that volumetric shadows have, on any complex aircraft near ground, not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Heiko Schulz
I did not use any shadows- still haveing a to weak pc I remember something heard about that the cause lies into the collision detect for the ground Hopefully Tim well be soon ready- can't wait to see it! :-) regards HHS --- Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > * Heiko Schulz --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Alouette II - Emmanuel Baranger

2007-11-29 Thread Heiko Schulz
I forgot something: please dump the alpha chanell of your textures - alpha channels seems to destroy the self-shadowing. And this is still a very nice faeture of FlightGear! :-) Great work- I wished we had a real pilot for testing the Alouette! Regards HHS __

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > Could you imagine to put this nasal file into the Nasal folder of the > upcoming release *deactivated*, ie. named "gstunnel.nas.off" or > something like that? Better fix the problems that can be fixed and put it as regular file. :-) I made the scri

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Heiko Schulz -- Thursday 29 November 2007: >> - stutters with any helicopters at the ground- lifting >> up is a big problem cause to the stutters. If the heli >> is in the air the stutters disappear [...] > > Sounds like th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Ralf Gerlich
AnMaster wrote: > No comments but I think that would be silly, it depends on your date order > anyway... With the Swedish format for date (dd/mm -) it is the other way > around... No one would comment on a possible future 0.11.9 I bet... I pretty much hope we're at 1.x before it comes to that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- AJ MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Thursday 29 November 2007 20:38:15 Heiko Schulz > wrote: > > There are some things I noticed and two > suggestion: > > -If I check "show fps" - it does not appear. > > I have to enlarge and to downsize the window, or > to > > reset FGF for viewing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 19, Issue 25

2007-11-29 Thread BARANGER Emmanuel
> Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:48:29 +0100 > From: Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Arsenal-VG33 - New > directory, NONE, NONE > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/pla

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Curtis Olson
On Nov 29, 2007 2:56 PM, AJ MacLeod wrote: > I would strongly disagree with that - with every respect for those who > were > affected by the events you mention, it's only a set of numbers (not even a > date, in any recognisable format), and since 0.9.11 comes right after > 0.9.10, > it's only logi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 19, Issue 25

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
Hey, * BARANGER Emmanuel -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > Also, file names with spaces in them are garbage. There should > > be none of those in CVS. > AAAHHHRRGGG ! The suprises CVS files which do not for the drive :( > I erased now. Sorry. No problem. Not a big one, anyway. I'm happy about ev

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread gerard robin
On jeu 29 novembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > Could you imagine to put this nasal file into the Nasal folder of the > > upcoming release *deactivated*, ie. named "gstunnel.nas.off" or > > something like that? > > Better fix the problems that ca

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis Olson -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > Everyone seems to agree that version numbers are an arbitrary > set of numbers [...] No, you got that backwards. From reading the thread it was clear that people consider a sane version number more important than politics, such as avoiding 0.9.11 beca

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
gerard robin schrieb: > On jeu 29 novembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > >> * Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: >> >>> Could you imagine to put this nasal file into the Nasal folder of the >>> upcoming release *deactivated*, ie. named "gstunnel.nas.off" or >>> something like tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > * Curtis Olson -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > Everyone seems to agree that version numbers are > an arbitrary > > set of numbers [...] > > No, you got that backwards. From reading the thread > it was > clear that people consider a sane version

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > gerard robin schrieb: > > It is not Autopilot, however it is an help to pilot, it could > > be in the autopilot item Yes, maybe. * Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > First to say, I made some testflights at EDDW and it works fine i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 29 November 2007 21:54:05 Curtis Olson wrote: > But then most people seem to also follow that up with very strongly held > opinions about what the version number should be. As we've seen from just > a few postings in this thread, there is a variety incompatible, yet > strongly held opi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Curtis Olson
On Nov 29, 2007 4:13 PM, Melchior FRANZ <> wrote: > No, you got that backwards. From reading the thread it was > clear that people consider a sane version number more important > than politics, such as avoiding 0.9.11 because of the incident. I think your message at least confirms my point that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: > > * Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > >> First to say, I made some testflights at EDDW and it works fine if I set >> the wind with "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Then I tried to make it easier from the >> startup and switch the property on with >> "--prop:sim/render

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 19, Issue 25

2007-11-29 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 29 November 2007 21:55, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > Hey, > > * BARANGER Emmanuel -- Thursday 29 November 2007: > > > Also, file names with spaces in them are garbage. There should > > > be none of those in CVS. > > > > AAAHHHRRGGG ! The suprises CVS files which do not for the drive :( > > I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: > Melchior FRANZ schrieb: > >> * Georg Vollnhals -- Thursday 29 November 2007: >> >> >>> First to say, I made some testflights at EDDW and it works fine if I set >>> the wind with "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Then I tried to make it easier from the >>> startup and switch

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 29 November 2007 23:25, Curtis Olson wrote: [snip...] > How about I say it this way ... our version number system has become > too tedious and ponderous. And are you suggesting that a 10 year old > mature software product can't be allowed a v1.0 version number? It's > never going to b

[Flightgear-devel] Alouette-III ????

2007-11-29 Thread gerard robin
Hello, Looking at the nice new helicopter Alouette-II, lead me to remember that i had in my hangar (among a lot of others models :) ) that Alouette-III, which was made to be a "Pedro" for the carrier Foch the model is high poly (missing some externals details). http://pagesperso-orange.fr/G

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear prerelease

2007-11-29 Thread John Wojnaroski
Hi Durk, looking over my logs, there was quite a bit of traffic downloading the pre-release version of FG and the base files. Glad I could help. Do you want to continue with this arrangement or has Curt had a chance to setup the ftp server for you? If not I can give you ftp access and perhaps

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Prerelease 0.9.11 some testresults

2007-11-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis Olson -- Friday 30 November 2007: [...] > So if you have a problem, please state it clearly The problem that I have/had is that you don't say it openly, when you make such a decision -- that you will call it 1.0, which aircraft it will contain etc. All we got was a cryptic hint with tong

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Keyboard reorg

2007-11-29 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 LeeE wrote: > On Wednesday 28 November 2007 10:18, Stuart Buchanan wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I've added the key assignments currently defined in keyboard.xml to >> the wiki page, so that we can easily see what assignments people >> think are missing, a