Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-26 Thread gabor via fpc-pascal
W dniu 2020-12-26 o 16:34, Tomas Hajny via fpc-pascal pisze: On 2020-12-26 15:45, gabor via fpc-pascal wrote: W dniu 2020-12-22 o 04:57, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal pisze:  .  . Very interesting. But in a future version of the FV (or other TUI framework) apart from migrating from

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-26 Thread Tomas Hajny via fpc-pascal
On 2020-12-26 15:45, gabor via fpc-pascal wrote: W dniu 2020-12-22 o 04:57, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal pisze: . . Very interesting. But in a future version of the FV (or other TUI framework) apart from migrating from objects to classes, using component streaming, collections, etc... it

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-26 Thread gabor via fpc-pascal
W dniu 2020-12-22 o 04:57, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal pisze: Anyway, any interest to develop Free Vision further is very welcome one, so we can move it from past tense to a future one. I still think text mode UI for console and terminals still has a place, but sadly the current FV

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-26 Thread gabor via fpc-pascal
W dniu 2020-12-23 o 14:27, Graeme Geldenhuys via fpc-pascal pisze: On 22/12/2020 10:20 pm, gabor via fpc-pascal wrote: Sorry, I keep mistaking code point for character. I thought that the code point is a value in the range 0..10. I don't think I fully understand Unicode... Here in an

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-25 Thread Jean SUZINEAU via fpc-pascal
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Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-24 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Am 23.12.2020 um 18:10 schrieb Travis Siegel via fpc-pascal: On 12/22/2020 11:43 AM, Markus Greim via fpc-pascal wrote: Wow.. Programming languages I worked with in the last 40 years: 12. SPIN When you say spin, I'm assuming you're talking about the parallax propeller boards

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-24 Thread Liam Proven via fpc-pascal
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 19:25, wrote: > As you may know, Niklaus Wirth developed Oberon as a successor of Pascal. > Its near identical to Pascal, just yet another name. Indeed. There is a somewhat active mailing list over on: ETH Oberon and related systems As I understand it, Wirth had some

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-24 Thread greim--- via fpc-pascal
Travis, I was working with the Propeller1 for many years We realized a commercial project with it . See http://www.schleibinger.com/cmsimple/en/?Setting_and_Maturity:Ultrasonic_Setting_Measurement It works very reliable. In June, I have got my first Propeller2 board from Parallax.

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-23 Thread Travis Siegel via fpc-pascal
On 12/22/2020 11:43 AM, Markus Greim via fpc-pascal wrote: Wow.. Programming languages I worked with in the last 40 years: 12. SPIN When you say spin, I'm assuming you're talking about the parallax propeller boards programming language.  The propeller 2 is coming out shortly (already

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-23 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via fpc-pascal
On 22/12/2020 10:20 pm, gabor via fpc-pascal wrote: > Sorry, I keep mistaking code point for character. I thought that the > code point is a value in the range 0..10. I don't think I fully > understand Unicode... Here in an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combining_character Two

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-23 Thread Markus Greim via fpc-pascal
Wow.. I am impressed... I hope my PASCAL is better then my English (first foreign language: Latin (for 7 years), 2nd English (6 years), 3rd ancient Greek (3 years)...) Programming languages I worked with in the last 40 years: 1. Basic first on a Tektronix 4050 and a TRS-80 about 1979 2.

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-22 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Am 22.12.2020 um 13:02 schrieb Liam Proven via fpc-pascal: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 22:11, Travis Siegel via fpc-pascal wrote: I don't know what non native english speakers are taught, nor can I address the folks across the pond, but here in the Us at least, has denotes currently exists, while

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-22 Thread gabor via fpc-pascal
W dniu 2020-12-22 o 11:13, Marco van de Voort via fpc-pascal pisze: The problem is that multiple unicode codepoints might translate to one character. But that character might have variable width (1, 1.5, 2). And the rendering of codepoints to characters is output device (terminal, GUI canvas)

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-22 Thread Liam Proven via fpc-pascal
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 22:11, Travis Siegel via fpc-pascal wrote: > > I don't know what non native english speakers are taught, nor can I address > the folks across the pond, but here in the Us at least, has denotes currently > exists, while had indicates past tense, I.E. no longer exists.

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-22 Thread Marco van de Voort via fpc-pascal
Op 2020-12-22 om 00:42 schreef gabor via fpc-pascal: W dniu 2020-12-21 o 23:41, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal pisze: > The main restriction is that it only supports ShortString and thus has > no Unicode support. I wonder which type would be best suited to store a unicode character (code point)

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-22 Thread Markus Greim via fpc-pascal
FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years... "has had" ? AKAIK "has" I still used it yesterday. Grüße Markus --- original message --- On December 20, 2020, 7:33 PM GMT+1 fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org wrote: On 12/19/20 6:35 PM, Liam Proven via fpc-pascal wrote:

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-22 Thread Markus Greim via fpc-pascal
Hello Nikolay, I am a German - so may be we are both "lost in translation" Kind Regards Markus --- original message --- On December 21, 2020, 10:17 AM GMT+1 nick...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/21/20 10:42 AM, Markus Greim wrote: > FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many>

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 12/22/20 2:39 AM, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) via fpc-pascal wrote: Hi, On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote: As long as one knows why a certain temporal construct is used there is no problem and at least in Germany (or more specifically Bavaria) we were taught that in

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) via fpc-pascal
Hi, On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote: > As long as one knows why a certain temporal construct is used there is > no problem and at least in Germany (or more specifically Bavaria) we > were taught that in masses.  As a native speaker of a language which only has three tenses

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread gabor via fpc-pascal
W dniu 2020-12-21 o 23:41, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal pisze: > The main restriction is that it only supports ShortString and thus has > no Unicode support. I wonder which type would be best suited to store a unicode character (code point) for the screen buffer? type TScreenBuffer = array of

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Travis Siegel via fpc-pascal schrieb am Mo., 21. Dez. 2020, 17:41: > I don't know what non native english speakers are taught, nor can I > address the folks across the pond, but here in the Us at least, has denotes > currently exists, while had indicates past tense, I.E. no longer exists. >

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Liam Proven via fpc-pascal schrieb am Mo., 21. Dez. 2020, 18:11: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 10:56, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal > wrote: > > > > > > On 12/21/20 10:42 AM, Markus Greim wrote: > > > > FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years... > > Sorry about this. I did

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via fpc-pascal
On 21/12/2020 2:07 pm, Liam Proven via fpc-pascal wrote: > Is this conversion of TurboVision FOSS, then? Yes, it definitely is, otherwise it wouldn't be part of FPC. If you have FPC install, you should be able to simply type 'fp' from the command prompt and it should fire up the FreeVision Text

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Travis Siegel via fpc-pascal
I don't know what non native english speakers are taught, nor can I address the folks across the pond, but here in the Us at least, has denotes currently exists, while had indicates past tense, I.E. no longer exists.  Combining the two is where it gets dicy, and is generally avoided for

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread rvmartin2--- via fpc-pascal
Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote the following on 21/12/2020, 13:13:08: > Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal schrieb am > Mo., 21. Dez. 2020, 11:36: > > > > > On 12/21/20 10:42 AM, Markus Greim wrote: > > > > FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years... > > > > "has had" ? > >

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Liam Proven via fpc-pascal
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 10:56, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal wrote: > > > On 12/21/20 10:42 AM, Markus Greim wrote: > > FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years... Sorry about this. I did not get this email, only the replies to it. I was unaware of that! Is this

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal schrieb am Mo., 21. Dez. 2020, 11:36: > > On 12/21/20 10:42 AM, Markus Greim wrote: > > FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years... > > "has had" ? > > AKAIK "has" > > I still used it yesterday. > > English is not my native language, but I

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-21 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 12/21/20 10:42 AM, Markus Greim wrote: FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years... "has had" ? AKAIK "has" I still used it yesterday. English is not my native language, but I think "has had" means it still has it. If I had said "had" instead of "has had", it would

Re: [fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-20 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 12/19/20 6:35 PM, Liam Proven via fpc-pascal wrote: https://github.com/magiblot/tvision Someone enterprising could make a TurboPascal clone out of FPC. :-) Meh. FPC has had a Turbo Pascal-like console IDE for many years. It uses Free Vision, which is a pascal port of the C++ version of

[fpc-pascal] TurboVision is reborn as FOSS (again)

2020-12-19 Thread Liam Proven via fpc-pascal
https://github.com/magiblot/tvision Someone enterprising could make a TurboPascal clone out of FPC. :-) -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44