Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Stephen Hurd
David Kelly wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:09 PM, Stephen Hurd wrote: David Kelly wrote: Think possibly I didn't speak clearly enough. Apple is not *adding* commodity-ness to their product line. Thinking about it I'd bet part of the deal with Intel is a special crypto block or similar

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread David Kelly
On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:09 PM, Stephen Hurd wrote: David Kelly wrote: Think possibly I didn't speak clearly enough. Apple is not *adding* commodity-ness to their product line. Thinking about it I'd bet part of the deal with Intel is a special crypto block or similar in the CPU uniquely

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread David Kelly
On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Duo wrote: Mac-only monitor? One only has to look back a little bit for the "17 inch Apple Studio LCD". Has an Apple-only digital video interface. Is damn cool. One cable has everything including power, USB, and a couple of control switches which are appare

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Duo
Stephen Hurd wrote: David Kelly wrote: Currently the same thing holds true for internal CD/DVD drives. But put the same non-Apple drive on Firewire and MacOS is happy with it. You must be dealing with an older "originally" than I. I've replaced the 40MB HD in an SE/30 with a 700-oddMB

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Duo
David Kelly wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Duo wrote: David Kelly wrote: No, that is NOT Apple's plan. Apple's plan is to use Intel CPUs. It has nothing to do with "make the mac x86 compliant" or to use commodity PC hardware. Uhm, for the last several years, they have been using a

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Stephen Hurd
David Kelly wrote: Think possibly I didn't speak clearly enough. Apple is not *adding* commodity-ness to their product line. Thinking about it I'd bet part of the deal with Intel is a special crypto block or similar in the CPU uniquely identifying it as an Apple Blessed CPU. Apple does this

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Stephen Hurd
On this, I do agree. I think Mac hardware lives up to a better standard of quality than most x86 machines, BUT, I would also surmise, as Microsoft consistantly has sold products to people who knew they were flawed, that this is a 50/50 proposition. At best. Have you used the new stock Apple ke

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread David Kelly
On Jun 7, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Duo wrote: David Kelly wrote: No, that is NOT Apple's plan. Apple's plan is to use Intel CPUs. It has nothing to do with "make the mac x86 compliant" or to use commodity PC hardware. Uhm, for the last several years, they have been using alot more "commodity"

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Lowell Gilbert wrote: David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:03:03PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I think Apple will cause the PC market to clean up their act. To make hardware that actually does what it says it will do. So

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 07:48:13PM -0400, James Bowman Sineath, III wrote: > necessary boots into some virtual environment. But Mathmatica was > recompiled in XCode in 2 hours! Note that this factoid is possibly a cheat, since Mathematica *already* runs on x86 in several OSes, and is *already* po

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread James Bowman Sineath, III
I forwarded this discussion to a friend of mine that is an Apple fanatic. Thought his response was interesting: Bow, I watched the Keynote address on Apple's transition to Intel. Apple has actually been running OS 10 on Intel for 5 years (just in case they wanted to make the switch). The main r

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Duo
David Kelly wrote: No, that is NOT Apple's plan. Apple's plan is to use Intel CPUs. It has nothing to do with "make the mac x86 compliant" or to use commodity PC hardware. Uhm, for the last several years, they have been using alot more "commodity" hardware, from AGP Video cards, etc. I canno

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Brett Glass
At 01:40 PM 6/7/2005, Miguel Mendez wrote: >How so? Apple is a niche market. I find their switch to x86 pretty >depressing actually, although I understand their reasons. Who says it'll be a total switch? I could easily imagine Apple switching to x86 for its lower end products (or even selling Ma

Re: filesystems not properly unmounted [OT]

2005-06-07 Thread Ronald Klop
Did you guys already unmount your filesystem? On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:48:26 +0200, Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > I do look carefully every day, because it's my job. I work > > with various operating systems every

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Miguel Mendez
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:53:03 -0500 David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's their plan. It was in the business section of my morning paper > > today. > > No, that is NOT Apple's plan. Apple's plan is to use Intel CPUs. It has > nothing to do with "make the mac x86 compliant" or to use

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Lowell Gilbert
David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:03:03PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I have heard rumors of this, I hope they do, at least make the mac x86 > > > compliant. > > > > That's their plan. It was in the business sec

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread David Kelly
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:03:03PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have heard rumors of this, I hope they do, at least make the mac x86 > > compliant. > > That's their plan. It was in the business section of my morning paper > today. No, that is NOT Ap

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have heard rumors of this, I hope they do, at least make the mac x86 > compliant. That's their plan. It was in the business section of my morning paper today. It's pretty much a question of being able to get enough chips; IBM had really struggled on deliv

Re: apple moving to x86

2005-06-07 Thread Jared
I have heard rumors of this, I hope they do, at least make the mac x86 compliant. On 6/6/05, Erich Dollansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Claus Guttesen wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I know this is a bit off-topic but it will probably have some impact > > Isn't chat the better list for this? >

Re: Client controlled Network access ... any experience?

2005-06-07 Thread Jared
I'm sure you could get something nice and gui for they guy, point and click admin access, you may even be able to cook up something yourself, simple cgi scripts would do the job. On 6/6/05, Kevin Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > >If memory serves me right, Kevin Kinsey