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Koen Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> I am not interested. Should i unsubscribe?
- if your maintainer address is working, you can get relevant mail.
- if you can "sit out a storm", do not unsubscribe.
On Sunday 02 December 2007 10:01, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> 1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports
> system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)?
>
FreeBSD man pages seem alot more helpful than their Linux counterparts. And I
can understand FreeBSD Source Code wh
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People,
Please.
I joined this list because i have a few ports that list me as the maintainer. I
joined in the assumption that this list would provide information related to my
maintainership.
Now for days i keep getting these immature posts. I am
Le lundi 03 décembre 2007 19:37, Ade Lovett a écrit :
> I'll thank you for not putting words into my mouth.
Actually, we will thank you for not putting any more words in your own
mouth.
> You seem unable to grasp even basic statistical fundamentals of what a
> survey entails, and have re
--On Monday, December 03, 2007 22:03:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It was one of several examples... jesus how I wish I could post some
of the private replies I got so people could see the amount of
frustration out there with the current system but that would color
othe
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:03:50 -0600, Aryeh M. Friedman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:23:20 -0600, Aryeh Friedman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Having said that dependencies often do depend on the order
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Jeremy Messenger wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:23:20 -0600, Aryeh Friedman
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>>> Having said that dependencies often do depend on the order the leaves
>>> are installed, because some ports will use alternate depen
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:15:10 -0600, Aryeh M. Friedman
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===> Cleaning for xdm-1.1.6_2
What was I supposed to find?
Did you actually run xdm or just assume because it compiled that it
was installed the same way in al
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:23:20 -0600, Aryeh Friedman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Having said that dependencies often do depend on the order the leaves
are installed, because some ports will use alternate dependencies
according to what's already there. It makes things a lot easier to
maintain.
_
>
>
> Having said that dependencies often do depend on the order the leaves
> are installed, because some ports will use alternate dependencies
> according to what's already there. It makes things a lot easier to
> maintain.
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btw xdm is not the wors
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:57:40 -0500
"Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually what see is a signficant difference in the way the banner is
> displayed and no I will not change the rules becuase the root issue is
> xdm-banner is only installed if you make the metaport with nothing
>
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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Chuck Robey wrote:
Paul Schmehl wrote:
Why the silly games? I get the feeling that Aryeh is honestly not
understanding that he's trying to change the basic way that things
get done in FreeBSD. He doesn't see that. In indu
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 10:41 -0800, Brian wrote:
> Here is a simple example of where improvement would be good.
>
> I add a package the easiest way I know on a slow system.
>
> mybox# pkg_add -r dnetc
> Fetching
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/dnetc.tbz...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:23:33 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> This is why I a asked informally for a p4 account (the person I asked
> should be asking formally on my behalf soon)...
To whom it may concern: please, *please*, no... Too much noise...
WBR
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Research Enginee
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 05:33:09PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> Carl Johan Gustavsson wrote:
> > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> >> perl (what is the difference between the 5.8.8 in the base system
> >> and the one in ports?!?!?!?)
> >>
> > The b
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Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On Monday, December 03, 2007 17:15:10 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> ===> Cleaning for xdm-1.1.6_2
>>>
>>> What was I supposed to find?
>>
>> Did you actually run xdm or just assume because it co
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> perl (what is the difference between the 5.8.8 in the base system and
> the one in ports?!?!?!?)
>
The base system does not contain Perl.
/cjg
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On Monday 03 December 2007 13:19:58 Chuck Robey wrote:
> Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > Here's a hint that would help a *ton* of users. Don't try to install a
> > port until your ports tree is up to date. Completely up to date - as
> > is, run portsnap or cvs or cvsup *first*, *then* try to install your
--On Monday, December 03, 2007 17:15:10 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
===> Cleaning for xdm-1.1.6_2
What was I supposed to find?
Did you actually run xdm or just assume because it compiled that it
was installed the same way in all cases...
No, I didn't run xdm, becau
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Carl Johan Gustavsson wrote:
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> perl (what is the difference between the 5.8.8 in the base system
>> and the one in ports?!?!?!?)
>>
> The base system does not contain Perl.
Then why is it compiled by buildworld?
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Chuck Robey wrote:
> Paul Schmehl wrote:
>> Here's a hint that would help a *ton* of users. Don't try to
>> install a port until your ports tree is up to date. Completely
>> up to date - as is, run portsnap or cvs or cvsup *first*, *then*
>> try to i
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> ===> Cleaning for xdm-1.1.6_2
>
> What was I supposed to find?
Did you actually run xdm or just assume because it compiled that it
was installed the same way in all cases... hint: the visual appearance
varies signficiantly depending on what meth
Paul Schmehl wrote:
Here's a hint that would help a *ton* of users. Don't try to install a
port until your ports tree is up to date. Completely up to date - as
is, run portsnap or cvs or cvsup *first*, *then* try to install your port.
I have several possible solutions (contact me privately i
--On Monday, December 03, 2007 14:20:16 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Try this as a challenge then install xdm cleanly on the first try
without having to install any additional ports from the command line
(what it drags in is fine)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] make deinstall dist
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Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 03:01:37PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>>> Now, stop this thread, stop the discussion, build something, and
>>> come back, if you cannot code or produce something with whatever
>>> you think the tree
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 03:01:37PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> > Now, stop this thread, stop the discussion, build something, and
> > come back, if you cannot code or produce something with whatever
> > you think the tree should be using, then *silence*.
>
> I know this will get me flam
On Dec 2, 2007, at 5:01 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports
system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)?
The core OS. Ports is icing on the cake.
2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is
the most
On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:39 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I am purposelly not looking at any previous solutions right now... If
and when it is determined that changes to the current system are
needed I will look at them then for ideas of what has not worked.
(like the Internet or other large complex
On Dec 2, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Miguel Mendez wrote:
I already replied to your questions in private but I wonder if you
took a look at
pkgsrc and the enhancements the OpenBSD people have done the pkg*
commands and whether you think borrowing from them would be useful.
I've been using pkgsrc on
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> Now, stop this thread, stop the discussion, build something, and
> come back, if you cannot code or produce something with whatever
> you think the tree should be using, then *silence*.
>
I know this will get me flamed but I wonder if any
On Monday 03 December 2007 11:53:46 Remko Lodder wrote:
> David Southwell wrote:
> > Just what is your agenda here?
>
> That's so november 2007, we dont use calenders nowadays
Do you mean a colender or a calendar?
>
> > Why all the spite and venom?
> >
> > If you do not have anything practical to
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Skip Ford wrote:
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> Paul Schmehl wrote:
>>> --On Monday, December 03, 2007 13:53:06 -0500 "Aryeh M.
>>> Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Have you ever attempted to install the individual ports of a
mega metaport
David Southwell wrote:
> Just what is your agenda here?
That's so november 2007, we dont use calenders nowadays
>
> Why all the spite and venom?
>
> If you do not have anything practical to contribute to the current discussion
> that takes it forward then why waste your energies saying anythin
Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Monday, December 03, 2007 13:53:06 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Have you ever attempted to install the individual ports of a mega
metaport?
Of course I have. And I haven't run into any problems that weren't
solvable.
Before you waste any m
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > --On Monday, December 03, 2007 13:53:06 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you ever attempted to install the individual ports of a mega
> >> metaport?
> >>>
> > Of course I have. And I haven't run into any pro
On Monday 03 December 2007 10:59:00 Chuck Robey wrote:
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> > Ade Lovett wrote:
> >> On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:12 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> >>> I have about 20 responses in private email and only the ones you
> >>> ha
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Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On Monday, December 03, 2007 13:53:06 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Have you ever attempted to install the individual ports of a mega
>> metaport?
>>>
> Of course I have. And I haven't run into a
--On Monday, December 03, 2007 13:53:06 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Have you ever attempted to install the individual ports of a mega
metaport?
Of course I have. And I haven't run into any problems that weren't
solvable.
Before you waste any more time, why don't y
I'm with David when he said "enough." I think that Aryeh and David have
received enough negative comments so that they now know how people feel.
Now we should wait for them to do their promised work. And if they
don't deliver, well, no harm, no foul!
Stephen
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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Ade Lovett wrote:
On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:12 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I have about 20 responses in private email and only the ones you
have seen in public are in this category
Enough said. There are currently ~180 people
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Ade Lovett wrote:
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> On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:23 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> Only 2 are self-reported maintainers and at least 5 admit to not
>> being maintainers... I think your main issue is you are 100% in
>> "there is nothing wrong" camp and for w
A statisticaslly valid sample will be difficult here, I mean a slashdot
poll is maybe a way to reach a wide portuion of the userbase, but they all
think freebsd is dead:) Some user will object no matter what you do.
Even if you emailed root of every system that did a portsnap or cvsup or
freeb
Here is a simple example of where improvement would be good.
I add a package the easiest way I know on a slow system.
mybox# pkg_add -r dnetc
Fetching
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/dnetc.tbz...
Done.
=> Added group "dnetc".
=> Added user "dnetc".
*
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Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On Monday, December 03, 2007 11:38:33 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all
>> possible solutions... specifically in many ways thats how to
On Monday 03 December 2007 10:37:21 Ade Lovett wrote:
> On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:23 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> > Only 2 are self-reported maintainers and at least 5 admit to not being
> > maintainers... I think your main issue is you are 100% in "there is
> > nothing wrong" camp and for what ever r
On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:23 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Only 2 are self-reported maintainers and at least 5 admit to not being
maintainers... I think your main issue is you are 100% in "there is
nothing wrong" camp and for what ever reason want to convience
everyone else any effort to say/do differ
--On Monday, December 03, 2007 11:38:33 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all
possible solutions... specifically in many ways thats how to the port
system got into such a bad state
I've run just about every *ni
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Ade Lovett wrote:
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> On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:12 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> I have about 20 responses in private email and only the ones you
>> have seen in public are in this category
>
> Enough said. There are currently ~180 people with direct acc
On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:12 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I have about 20 responses in private email and only the ones you have
seen in public are in this category
Enough said. There are currently ~180 people with direct access to
the ports/ tree (ie: ports committers).
Even assuming all priva
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Remko Lodder wrote:
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> Ade Lovett wrote:
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>>
>> Then the community needs to make up it's mind because I have been
>> criticized for making a wiki for a similar issue (SATA issues on
>> ICH9(R)) You do sound like Marie
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Ade Lovett wrote:
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> On Dec 03, 2007, at 09:42 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> If the questions are flawed then point out where.If the
>> general concept of a survey vs. user stories vs. what ever then
>> state which you think is more productive. I
On Dec 03, 2007, at 09:42 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
If the questions are flawed then point out where.If the general
concept of a survey vs. user stories vs. what ever then state which
you think is more productive. If your problem is the medium/forum the
data is being gathered in see below.
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> Ade Lovett wrote:
>
>
> Then the community needs to make up it's mind because I have been
> criticized for making a wiki for a similar issue (SATA issues on
> ICH9(R)) You do sound like Marie Antonetta. For the time being
> as far I can tell the consensus is to k
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Ade Lovett wrote:
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> On Dec 03, 2007, at 08:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all
>> possible solutions...
>
> Congratulations on snipping the relevant part of my email which
> indicated how
On Dec 03, 2007, at 08:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all
possible solutions...
Congratulations on snipping the relevant part of my email which
indicated how fundamentally flawed your "survey" was. Until such time
as you understa
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> Live by the code, die by the code.
>
> Show us some code. Or, quite frankly, since y'all have missed the
> subtleties of others, put up, or shut up.
Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all
possible solutions... specific
On Dec 03, 2007, at 03:08 , David Southwell wrote:
Enough!!
The zeroth group involves those that decide to invoke quasi-religious
concepts where they're completely out of place, in a vain attempt to
make their point.
Live by the code, die by the code.
Show us some code. Or, quite frank
On Monday 03 December 2007 01:41:14 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 05:01:35AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> > As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at
> > least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should
> > remain as is or
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 05:01:35AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at
> least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should
> remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates
> if and when ne
3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?
Easy to write ports, or modify those created by others.
4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system?
Slowness of pkg_version and "make index."
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Jeremy Messenger wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:37:22 -0600, David Southwell
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On Sunday 02 December 2007 06:41:12 Dan Langille wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
3. What is the single best asp
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Miguel Mendez wrote:
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> On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> Hi,
>
>> As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is
>> at least a need to examine weither or not the current ports
>> system should remain as is o
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Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>>> Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting.
>>
>> There have been a number of serious attempts and in depth
>> research into various ports system issues (I still need to wade
>> th
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:37:22 -0600, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Sunday 02 December 2007 06:41:12 Dan Langille wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?
Good people doing the heavy lifting
> 4. What is the
On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Hi,
As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at
least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should
remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates
if and when needed vary fr
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting.
There have been a number of serious attempts and in depth research
into various ports system issues (I still need to wade through a
rather long one sent to me privately)... an other question did you
read the
On Sunday 02 December 2007 06:41:12 Dan Langille wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> > 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?
>
> Good people doing the heavy lifting
>
> > 4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system?
>
> Too much talk from people n
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?
Good people doing the heavy lifting
4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system?
Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting.
8. How long have you used F
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I promised not to venture my opinion on things but this one needs it
>
> Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting.
>
There have been a number of serious attempts and in depth research
into various ports system issues (I still ne
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> 7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3?
>
Several people said the wording was bad so here is the reworded question:
7. If a new system broke the best aspects of the current ports system
would you use the new or old system?
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