Peter N. M. Hansteen writes:
> copyright assignment isn't entirely doable in all jurisdictions, and
> beside the point.
Generally, commercial rights can always be assigned. Moral rights often
cannot be assigned, but since they are practically worthless, this
usually isn't a problem.
> i assume
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps?
>
> So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned.
copyright assignment isn't entirely doable in all jurisdictions, and
beside the point.
> All it takes is one copyright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. Beastie is a way of life. I'd be quite upset if it were dropped
for whatever reason. It is so intimately tied to FreeBSD that it would
be a PR disaster if it were to be changed. NetBSD never had a real
The BSD daemon image stems from around 4.3BSD, or an even earlier
Dick Davies writes:
> Shut up now, ok? or take it elsewhere.
Don't forget discovery.
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* Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0216 21:16]:
> Peter N. M. Hansteen writes:
>
> > Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps?
>
> So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned. All
> it takes is one copyright holder who withdraws a license and an entire
> p
Peter N. M. Hansteen writes:
> Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps?
So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned. All
it takes is one copyright holder who withdraws a license and an entire
package can become unusable.
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Ceri Davies writes:
>
> > Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently?
>
> Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers
> verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting
>
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why are people asserting their own copyrights in the code?
Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps?
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Ceri Davies writes:
> Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently?
Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers
verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting
their own copyrights in the code?
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On 12 Feb 2005, at 07:12, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley
and by the FreeBSD Project.
Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently?
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ht
***you are a man of high ideas Ted, but you are overlooking a fundamental
aspect, that
ALL LIFE IS TEMPORAL - AND MOVES ON WITH CONTINUAL CHANGE AND IMPROVEMENT
which means to say :
DONT CLING TO THE PAST WHEN OPPORTUNITIES TO PROGRESS OCCUR
***for example almost every week i sort
At 2:06 AM -0800 2/12/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are
objecting to.
I am glad to hear that this message was the last time you
mention it. Thanks.
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Chuck Swiger writes:
> A = "copyright", B = "license". A != B.
A license is limited permission to use copyrighted material. A
copyright is the right to restrict the use of material without a
license.
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Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes:
You need to understand the difference between copyright and license,
and stop looking for black helicopters.
There isn't any difference. Without copyrights, there are no licenses;
without licenses, there are no copyrights.
A = "copyright", B = "
Joshua Tinnin writes:
> I see that you've volunteered your efforts once again in an area you
> found lacking.
Not in this area, although I did volunteer some DTP work.
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes:
> To whom? The FreeBSD project is not a legal entity.
Then I can release it to the public domain.
> That is a very bad idea, because you can't disclaim liability for work
> which you release in the public domain.
Whether you retain or relinquish the copyright has no
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes:
> Are you intentionally misinterpreting me?
No, I'm correcting you.
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On Saturday 12 February 2005 01:58 am, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> > This is all very well and good, but is irrelevant to the earlier
> > discussion.
>
> It doesn't have to be relevant to the earlier discussion. It is very
> highly relevant
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes:
> You need to understand the difference between copyright and license,
> and stop looking for black helicopters.
There isn't any difference. Without copyrights, there are no licenses;
without licenses, there are no copyrights.
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On Saturday 12 February 2005 02:07 am, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> > The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You
> > will note that this is discussed more fully here:
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cont
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Peter Risdon wrote:
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:56 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
[...]
Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and
not by commercial matters,
FreeBSD is a commercially viable operatin
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as
NetBSD!!!
And frankly,
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:18 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
That is so not true that it makes me almost as angry as the original
debate.
Maybe getting angry about a mere logo is a bad sign.
Just to sum up things as I understand it...
People want to chang
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It surprises and worries me that anyone does it, for precisely the
> reasons that you describe. Should I ever contribute code to FreeBSD,
> I'll just assign the copyright
To whom? The FreeBSD project is not a legal entity.
>
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes:
> > Copyright does not enter the equation at all. What matters is the
> > license.
> Uh ... where there is no copyright, there is no license. Where there is
> a license, there is a copyright.
Are you intentionally misint
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 23:12 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> >
> > Why in the world should I expect to be able to vote on whether a new
> > logo is adopted or not?
> >
>
> I will tell you exactly why and it is one of the most exciting reasons
> to use FreeBSD.
>
> It is EVERYONE WHO CONTRIB
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your
> intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD
> in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the
> chicken littles like Anthony are talking about. It is
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:21 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Kjeldergaard writes:
>
> > Actually, I haven't.
>
> I have, but mainly with hardware that I would normally use only on the
> desktop. I ended up connecting it to Windows instead.
>
> FreeBSD has good support
> Agreed, but have you never inherited control over a system with hardware
> you did not purchase?
Yup, but I've simply not gotten unsupported hardware. In the many
computers I've tried, not a single piece of hardware unsupported, from
network cards to raid cards, wireless and video, serial cards
On Saturday 12 February 2005 12:46, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> > I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your
> > intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD
> > in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the
> > chick
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your
> intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD
> in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the
> chicken littles like Anthony are talking about.
It surprises and worries m
in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please
> don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!
>
>
> "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley
> > and
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes:
> Copyright does not enter the equation at all. What matters is the
> license.
Uh ... where there is no copyright, there is no license. Where there is
a license, there is a copyright.
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley
> and by the FreeBSD Project.
No, they aren't. RTFS. Just a couple of examples:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Dag-Erling' /usr/src | wc -l
59
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Joshua Tinnin writes:
> > I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who
> > work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about
> > this but encourages it.
> That's not good enough. The employer has to assign
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> What we don't want are a lot of the kinds of users that infest the
> Linx forums - people that pester, pester, pester for answers to
> questions in the manual, then once they figure out how to get
> what small item they want to work, they are never seen or heard
> from i
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:34 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:13 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo
&
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Why is this a problem? Are you concerned with what our stockholders
> would say if they found out?
I'm concerned about the future of the OS if the user base dwindles.
I think that potential users of the OS should be sought out and made
aware of FreeBSD. It doesn't ha
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:58 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garance A
> Drosihn
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:56 PM
> To: Bart Silverstrim; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Technically superior products are technically superior because they
> have MORE than the customary R&D put into them. That makes them MORE
> expensive than the median/mediocre products that dominate a market.
Explain Intel.
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Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You will
> note that this is discussed more fully here:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/contrib-
> how.html
>
> under the section:
>
> New Code or Major Value-Added Packages
> -Original Message-
> From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as
> NetBSD!!!
>
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Then if it is so unimportant why change it from beastie?
I don't know ... why?
The discussion I've seen has centered on developing a logo, not changing
the cartoon mascot.
I personally don't care about any of it for my own use, as long as the
software remains at the s
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> This is all very well and good, but is irrelevant to the earlier
> discussion.
It doesn't have to be relevant to the earlier discussion. It is very
highly relevant to FreeBSD.
> You are not a Suit we are trying to impress or get to use FreeBSD. You
> are on
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:12 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo
> suchasNetBSD!!!
>
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few
is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who
do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew L. Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:34 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo
> suchasNetBSD!!!
&g
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Marella
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:16 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Garance A Drosehn
> Subject: RE: Please don't change Be
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vonleigh
> Simmons
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:38 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such
> asNetB
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:06 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such
> asNet
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:54 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:47 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such
> as
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:19 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:55:06 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[..]
> Well, I hope I am helpful, at least some of the time. It seems
> to run about 50-50 that I am near the topic and am way out of touch.
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Robert Marella writes:
As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If
I can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front
of the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD
is head and
Robert Marella writes:
> As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If
> I can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front
> of the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD
> is head and shoulders above the leader of the pack.
Yes
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 20:55 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > > >
> > > > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
> > >
> > > I was beginning to suspect some such.
> > > Maybe worse.
> > >
> > > jerry
> > >
> > Jerry and Eric
> >
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Robert Marella wrote:
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:11 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote:
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
I was beginning to suspect some such
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 19:18 -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:
> > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on
> > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your
> > view points.
>
> (speaking on behalf of Jerry as well as myself, and making some wild
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:11 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >>>
> >>> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
> >>
> >> I was beginning to suspect some such.
> >> Maybe worse.
On Friday 11 February 2005 04:36 pm, Garance A Drosihn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At 2:56 PM -0800 2/11/05, Joshua Tinnin wrote:
> >On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Joshua Tinnin writes:
> > > > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30
Eric Kjeldergaard writes:
> Actually, I haven't.
I have, but mainly with hardware that I would normally use only on the
desktop. I ended up connecting it to Windows instead.
FreeBSD has good support for hardware that you'd use on a server--better
than that provided by Windows.
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>
> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > >
> > > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
> >
> > I was beginning to suspect some such.
> > Maybe worse.
> >
> > jerry
> >
> Jerry and Eric
>
> If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on
> some of
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:32 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >>>
> >>> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
> >>
> >> I was beginning to suspect some
> If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on
> some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your
> view points.
(speaking on behalf of Jerry as well as myself, and making some wild
assumptions about Jerry based on his previous posts) Always glad to
h
On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote:
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
I was beginning to suspect some such.
Maybe worse.
jerry
Jerry and Eric
If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on
some of my
At 2:56 PM -0800 2/11/05, Joshua Tinnin wrote:
On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joshua Tinnin writes:
> > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject
> > alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of
> > priorities you
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >
> > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
>
> I was beginning to suspect some such.
> Maybe worse.
>
> jerry
>
Jerry and Eric
If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on
some of my previous posts. I thank yo
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> And the standard answer is RTFM
I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers
this type of question.
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On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
And the standard answer is RTFM
I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers
this type of question.
This is a mailing list for questions about how to use FreeBSD, not why
you should
>
> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ?
I was beginning to suspect some such.
Maybe worse.
jerry
>
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On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
And the standard answer is RTFM
I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers
this type of question.
Typical. Cut out the rest of what I said.
You need to ask the right people, not t
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions
But some of us hanging out on such lists have to answer these questions
when talking to CIOs. And saying "I don't know" just doesn't wash.
And
On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Tinnin writes:
> > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone,
> > on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you
> > have.
>
> At the moment, I'm worried about Free
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions
But some of us hanging out on such lists have to answer these questions
when talking to CIOs. And saying "I don't know" just doesn't wash.
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Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> This is not the right place to ask such questions.
Why is it called freebsd-questions?
> If you are
> *seriously* concerned about this, and do not think that the FreeBSD
> core / foundation and their lawyers have not thought about this, then
> you should b
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> I don't know. Go ask them. Look in the codebase yourself, or pay
> someone to do so.
Is this what you would tell someone contemplating a multimillion-dollar
investment in a FreeBSD rollout to 10,000 servers? "I don't know"? "Look
it up yourself"?
This proj
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
You ask a dumb question, get such an answer.
Be sure to tell the CIOs that. That'll do wonders for adoption of
FreeBSD.
CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions
Chad
You make assump
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Joshua Tinnin writes:
I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who
work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about
this but encourages it.
That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its cop
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> You ask a dumb question, get such an answer.
Be sure to tell the CIOs that. That'll do wonders for adoption of
FreeBSD.
> You make assumptions that just because someone is paying someone to
> work on FreeBSD that no one has thought of the copyright implicat
Joshua Tinnin writes:
> Do you have any proof of malfeasence?
I don't need it. That's the way copyright normally works; it's not
malfeasance. In order to protect the project, the status of copyright
in all code written for the project must be very clearly established, in
writing.
> Are you pla
Joshua Tinnin writes:
> I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who
> work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about
> this but encourages it.
That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its copyrights as
well, or waive the usual work-for-h
Can I suggest a new mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter.
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 23:42 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Andrew L. Gould writes:
>
> > That's an assumption.
>
> The project needs to ask for proof of this, and not simply assume it.
>
> > We could as easily assume that the emplo
Joshua Tinnin writes:
> Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, on a
> tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you have.
At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD.
> Anyway, if you feel that way then let the thread die, or take it to
> -advocacy.
I re
Andrew L. Gould writes:
> That's an assumption.
The project needs to ask for proof of this, and not simply assume it.
> We could as easily assume that the employers:
Never assume anything in law. A wrong assumption could bury the
project.
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On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
Their employers are paying them TO WORK on FreeBSD. They are not
taking
their code that they write for their employers and also sticking it in
FreeBSD. Big difference.
Not if their work consists of writing c
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
Look in the codebase
No, tell me right here. CIOs aren't going to look in the codebase to
try to find out if it's legal for them to use the operating system.
You ask a dumb question, get such an answer.
You m
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> Sorry, but the employers are freely offering the code and assigning
> copyrights as necessary.
OK, as long as the copyrights are assigned before any of the code finds
its way into the released product.
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Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> Their employers are paying them TO WORK on FreeBSD. They are not taking
> their code that they write for their employers and also sticking it in
> FreeBSD. Big difference.
Not if their work consists of writing code. In that case, the copyright
in the code b
On Friday 11 February 2005 02:13 pm, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank Laszlo writes:
> > I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid
> > to work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby.
>
> What written agreements do these committers have with th
On Friday 11 February 2005 02:16 pm, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> > many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a
> > few is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a
> > handful who do it as more than a hobb
On Thursday 10 February 2005 11:11 pm, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank J. Laszlo writes:
> > Who says it has to be small?
>
> Business cards and letterheads say that.
>
> Logos are often reproduced at very small sizes, even on large
> documents. They often appear in a corner o
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> Look in the codebase
No, tell me right here. CIOs aren't going to look in the codebase to
try to find out if it's legal for them to use the operating system.
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On Friday 11 February 2005 04:11 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> > Many of the people that work
> > on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it
> > commercially.
>
> That would mean that their employers hold a copyright in the FreeBSD
> cod
Frank Laszlo writes:
> I was refering to commiters paid BY FreeBSD to provide code.
Ah ... I am reassured! You should always make that crystal-clear
whenever you mention this in discussions with anybody. Any rumor
started to the contrary could kill off interest in the OS in anyone
considering i
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few
is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who
do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Frank Laszlo writes:
I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to
work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby.
What written agreements do these committers have with their employers?
Normally, if you are paid to
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