Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

Anthony Atkielski wrote: > It _is_ the fault of the mailing list manager that posts are being > archived without the permission of mailing-list members. Members must > be required to explicitly grant permission when they subscribe. Even if they did, there is no way for the mailing list software o

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Joshua Tinnin wrote: > On Sun 8 May 05 02:00, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>Timothy Smith writes: >> >>>but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to >>>confirmation email that is sent to you ... >> >>There are no terms and conditions in the confirmation e-mail

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On Sun 8 May 05 02:00, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Timothy Smith writes: > > but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to > > confirmation email that is sent to you ... > > There are no terms and conditions in the confirmation e-mail that > mention copyright, arc

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; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! On 5/9/05, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Laurent, let me spell it out - that last message was from me, Ted, not from Fafa. I forged Fafa's name on it to show how

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On 5/9/05, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Laurent, let me spell it out - that last message was from me, Ted, not > from Fafa. I forged Fafa's name on it to show how easy it is to > forge mail and how it is not legally viable or possible for the real > Fafa to prove that the mes

RE: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:58 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! > > > Ted Mittel

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ECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laurent > Debacker > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:26 AM > To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! > > > You're really fu

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005 2:05 PM > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > > Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! > > > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > >>-

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On Sat, 07 May 2005 16:05:17 -0500 Chris (and lots of others) wrote: A comment in some way or another on this topic "MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!" At the very beginning I asked Anthony to stop, bacause all this has been written before. He didn't (was to be expected). I would urge ALL of you who keep

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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > >>You live life your way. Let others do the same. > > > They can do whatever they want, as long as they don't infringe upon my > own rights. > > >>I do not live my life in fear, but nor do I live it in an uninformed manner. > > > Fear has

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I see Vogons coming on the sub-Etha: People of this thread, your attention please: This thread has been scheduled for demolition! The fact that most public list are public not only by name and hence are open for not only you, but also your boss and your enemies, and further that many mailing li

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I'm sorry but doesn't this discussion belong on another list? Maybe -chat? I dunno, surely it seems like it isn't related to any FreeBSD technical related content. This is worse than Theo spouting off about his next spam campaign. Top Posting for a Reason. On 5/8/05, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

Timothy Smith writes: > but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to > confirmation email that is sent to you ... There are no terms and conditions in the confirmation e-mail that mention copyright, archives, or publication outside the mailing list. -- Anthony

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Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > No, Chris, we don't want to do that. If you put any kind of message > like that on the website you are then implying that the users have > copyrights in the first place on postings that they put on the mailing > list. It's better than being successfully sued or prosecut

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Bart Silverstrim writes: > Nope, because that assumes I have permission to quote ahead of time and > I'd have an archive in my sent mail (and trash items) for a period of > time that you didn't explicitly allow. No, it does not. It does not extend the publication of your message beyond the circ

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Alex de Kruijff writes: > They can claim all they like, but that doesn't mean this hold up in > cord. It does sometimes, which is why smart sysadmins protect against it (it's trivially easy to do). > In the Netherlands one who enters a protected system deliberate > and unlawful can get half a ye

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Joshua Tinnin writes: > You live life your way. Let others do the same. They can do whatever they want, as long as they don't infringe upon my own rights. > I do not live my life in fear, but nor do I live it in an uninformed manner. Fear has nothing to do with it. It's a question of conscienc

Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

Anthony Atkielski wrote: Marc Fonvieille writes: All, and I said "All", mailing list subscribing forms mention their archives ("To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the freebsd-blahblah Archives."). It is impossible to miss it. Then why do so many forms require that y

RE: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex > de Kruijff > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:08 PM > To: Chris Hodgins > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! >

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On May 7, 2005, at 10:44 PM, Chris wrote: Aaaarrggghhg Isn't anyhing sacred anymore?! Oh how I long for the Dos-dayz. Whoa is mee ...licensed too. Sorry. You don't own it. :-p ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/m

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On May 7, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Joshua Tinnin writes: Then so is every single tech help list with public archives. Yes. The fact that certain infringing actions may take place with great frequency does not make them any less infringing. Fine. Take them each to court. See ho

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Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > On May 7, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Chris wrote: > >> Oh no!!! >> >> Fear? >> Uncertainty? >> Doubt? >> >> I guess OpenSource isnt the way to go. I guess FreeBSD isnt right for me. >> >> Oh no - Look at all this termoil... >> >> I guess I should just buy the Microsoft product

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On May 7, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Chris wrote: Oh no!!! Fear? Uncertainty? Doubt? I guess OpenSource isnt the way to go. I guess FreeBSD isnt right for me. Oh no - Look at all this termoil... I guess I should just buy the Microsoft product so I won't violate anything. Surely becasue if I pay for it - e

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On May 7, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Dilemma...how do I get permission to quote you to reply to you? You can e-mail me and ask. However, backquoting of portions of a message generally falls within the scope of fair use, IMO (IANAL). Nope, because that assum

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 10:38:04AM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 02:49:23AM +0200, Alex de Kruijff wrote: > > > > > > Well, the "Mailing lists" link on http://www.FreeBSD.org/ homepage > > > points on > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresour

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 11:16:02AM -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > On May 6, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > >Roland Smith writes: > > > >>On the page where you subscribe to a mailing list there is a link to > >>the > >>list archives. The existance to this link implies a public

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:32:37PM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Alex de Kruijff writes: > > > So? As long as your system is protected by a password nobody has a legal > > defence. > > Unfortunately they do. For example, if they guess a user name and > password and it works, they can enter y

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 04:05:09PM +0100, Chris Hodgins wrote: > This keeps coming up time and time again. Why don't we simply put up > a message on the subscription page that says if you subscribe you > agree that your messages will be archived for public viewing. End of > story. No more bitchy

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On Sat 7 May 05 15:35, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > I hate to bring up the old cliche ... but, seriously, Anthony, most > > of what you do here is spread: > > > > Fear > > Uncertainty > > Doubt > > Much of the prudence that lawful behavior demands is ba

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Joshua Tinnin writes: > Then so is every single tech help list with public archives. Yes. The fact that certain infringing actions may take place with great frequency does not make them any less infringing. > Some of them have been in existence before the web. I can't figure out > why you keep

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Joshua Tinnin wrote: > On Sat 7 May 05 15:01, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>Joshua Tinnin writes: ... Snip > I hate to bring up the old cliche ... but, seriously, Anthony, most of > what you do here is spread: > > Fear > Uncertainty > Doubt Oh no!!! Fear? Uncertainty? D

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On Sat 7 May 05 15:01, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > Where is the infringement here? > > Reproducing a copyrighted work without permission. Then so is every single tech help list with public archives. Or every single email list with public archives. I'm

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Joshua Tinnin writes: > Where is the infringement here? Reproducing a copyrighted work without permission. > Have you spoken to an actual lawyer about this issue? I have. Guess what > he said? I prefer not to guess. Invite him here. In any case, lawyers don't decide what is or isn't infringem

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On Sat 7 May 05 10:39, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those of us with ethics and conscience, registration is > irrelevant. We do not refrain from infringement out of fear of > prosecution, we refrain because infringement is wrong. Where is the infringement here? Have you sp

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On 5/8/05, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > OK, this is arguably Anthony's best-ever troll, and ranks pretty highly when compared to past list trolling. Could someone give the man an award for his achievements and then let's kill this useless mega-thread.

RE: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:05 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > &

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fafa Hafiz >>Krantz >>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:40 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! >>

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fafa Hafiz > Krantz > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:40 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! > > > > Hello. > > I hav

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:46 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! > > > Anthony Atkiel

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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>If thats what it comes down to - then sending emails, lists, bloggs, etc >>are all willfull violations of copyright - Oh no - where do you >>draw the line!!! > > > Some are, some aren't. > This whole thing is silly (the isues at hand, meaning

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Chris writes: > If thats what it comes down to - then sending emails, lists, bloggs, etc > are all willfull violations of copyright - Oh no - where do you > draw the line!!! Some are, some aren't. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mai

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Chris wrote: >Nobody can reply to, reproduce, referance, show, etc. this email without >written consent be my. > > The courts, wisely, have declined to say quoting a set amount is ok or define any other bright line test. Since there is no "bright line" test for fair use it comes down to is i

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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > >>Dilemma...how do I get permission to quote you to reply to you? > > > You can e-mail me and ask. However, backquoting of portions of a > message generally falls within the scope of fair use, IMO (IANAL). > Here - let's do this. Nobod

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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > >>Dilemma...how do I get permission to quote you to reply to you? > > > You can e-mail me and ask. However, backquoting of portions of a > message generally falls within the scope of fair use, IMO (IANAL). > If thats what it comes down

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Bart Silverstrim writes: > Dilemma...how do I get permission to quote you to reply to you? You can e-mail me and ask. However, backquoting of portions of a message generally falls within the scope of fair use, IMO (IANAL). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-qu

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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>... in order for someone to "claim" a violation of copyright, it MUST >>be registered with the copyright office (at least here in the States). > > > For civil procedures involving works of U.S. origin, yes. But you don't > have to register way in a

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Chris Hodgins writes: > This keeps coming up time and time again. Why don't we simply put up > a message on the subscription page that says if you subscribe you > agree that your messages will be archived for public viewing. End of > story. No more bitchy emails on this subject, no more heated

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Chris writes: > ... in order for someone to "claim" a violation of copyright, it MUST > be registered with the copyright office (at least here in the States). For civil procedures involving works of U.S. origin, yes. But you don't have to register way in advance, you only have to register before

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On May 7, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Alex de Kruijff wrote: On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 11:45:35AM +0200, X3K6A2 wrote: Marc Fonvieille writes: All, and I said "All", mailing list subscribing forms mention their archives ("To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the freebsd-blahblah Archive

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On May 6, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Absolutely! Copyright doesn't protect anyone from making a fool out of themselves. So I see. But that is not the purpose of copyright. Proven time and time again :-) ___ freeb

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On May 6, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Chris wrote: Hahaha - good stuff! Yanno, last I knew (and that was some time ago) You had to submit writings for review to the copyright folks here in the U.S. Then, if they deem it so, you then had to pay a fee to have it copyrighted. As I said - this may or may not

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On May 6, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: I doubt seriously your *extremely* strict interpretation of copyright would hold up in any court of law in the US or anywhere else for that matter. I have no doubt that you could find a judge somewhere to rule in your favor. After all, judges make

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On May 6, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Al Johnsonn writes: This advice is more ridiculous than telling him to put aerosol spray back into a can. Where's the flaw in it? That's what the DMCA is for. Betwen this and the claim about "stopping traffic in third party non-US sites becaus

Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

On May 6, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Before you start spouting legal advice on a public list, I would suggest that you point to chapter and verse that *specifically* addresses posts made to a public forum that *explicitly* states that such posts will be archi

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 04:05:09PM +0100, Chris Hodgins wrote: > This keeps coming up time and time again. Why don't we simply put up > a message on the subscription page that says if you subscribe you > agree that your messages will be archived for public viewing. Maybe it should be in the mai

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On May 6, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Roland Smith writes: On the page where you subscribe to a mailing list there is a link to the list archives. The existance to this link implies a public accessible archive of the list. If you don't like that, don't subscribe. You cannot be sure

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On May 6, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Yeah, cuz, we wouldn't want the archives to be referenced for people who are looking for help on topics, after all. Do you think that subscribers would refuse to grant permission to have their posts archived? If so, does

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This keeps coming up time and time again. Why don't we simply put up a message on the subscription page that says if you subscribe you agree that your messages will be archived for public viewing. End of story. No more bitchy emails on this subject, no more heated debates and much more time devo

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On May 6, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: A) You sent messages to unknown hundreds or thousands of people on the mailing list, all of which could have a cached copy of your messages, and now wonder about privacy? I've explained the differences before; perhaps I n

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 06:10:00AM -0500, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: > Fafa has already been threatened with his doom. > Some members on this list, it seems, ain't got no heart. It always strikes me as odd when people refer to them self in 3d person. Anyhow, as many have said before me, I think tha

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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Marc Fonvieille writes: > > >>All, and I said "All", mailing list subscribing forms mention their >>archives ("To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit >>the freebsd-blahblah Archives."). It is impossible to miss it. > > > Then why do so many forms

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Alex de Kruijff writes: > So? As long as your system is protected by a password nobody has a legal > defence. Unfortunately they do. For example, if they guess a user name and password and it works, they can enter your system and claim that they believed it was okay because nothing told them oth

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 11:45:35AM +0200, X3K6A2 wrote: > > Marc Fonvieille writes: > > >> All, and I said "All", mailing list subscribing forms mention their > >> archives ("To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit > >> the freebsd-blahblah Archives."). It is impossible to miss

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> If only I was all of them. Point being, you're gonna make it, you'll > survive. Enjoy the publicity, I'm sure you'll have the tabloids > calling to ask who The GREAT FAFA is. Hehe :) I go under many names. > I'm kinda forced to laugh about people suggesting the use of DMCA and > other copyrig

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 04:44:16AM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Alex de Kruijff writes: > > > Where these persons prosecuted lately? > > No. The first I heard of these problems was probably a good 20 years > ago or so, and they probably predated that. Nevertheless, it is > standard practic

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Marc Fonvieille writes: > All, and I said "All", mailing list subscribing forms mention their > archives ("To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit > the freebsd-blahblah Archives."). It is impossible to miss it. Then why do so many forms require that you tick a checkbox to ass

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 02:49:23AM +0200, Alex de Kruijff wrote: > > > > Well, the "Mailing lists" link on http://www.FreeBSD.org/ homepage > > points on > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL > > That true and this would be a fine argument i

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Danny Pansters writes: > Now you lump me into some self defined "geek community". I didn't say anything about you. > Apparently I don't respect the rule of law now. Isn't that slander? FYI, slander is verbal defamation; written defamation would be libel. If you truly don't respect the rule of

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On Saturday 07 May 2005 04:52, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Danny Pansters writes: > > Yeah it's also remarkably about (perceived) profit and not about > > personal expression (at all). Copyright has nothing to do with freedom > > of expression although they're often linked (by the wrong parties > >

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Danny Pansters writes: > Yeah it's also remarkably about (perceived) profit and not about > personal expression (at all). Copyright has nothing to do with freedom > of expression although they're often linked (by the wrong parties > usually). Whatever the motivations behind it, it is still the la

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Alex de Kruijff writes: > Where these persons prosecuted lately? No. The first I heard of these problems was probably a good 20 years ago or so, and they probably predated that. Nevertheless, it is standard practice to include such warnings today. -- Anthony

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On Saturday 07 May 2005 02:42, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Danny Pansters writes: > > Which shows how bad cratic souvereign counties are gettingthey're > > accepting US corp law as their own. > Copyright law is fairly consistent in the industrialized world. Yeah it's also remarkably about (perceiv

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 03:08:14AM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Alex de Kruijff writes: > > > In my country forcing you way in to a computer system is a criminal act. > > It can be compared to breaking in to a house. > > It is in most countries. However, persons prosecuted for such crimes >

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On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 02:20:41AM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > > Hahaha - good stuff! Yanno, last I knew (and that was some time ago) You > > had to submit writings for review to the copyright folks here in the U.S. > > It has never been that way. I bleave this is true fo

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 12:04:10PM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > On Friday 06 May 2005 05:52, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > > DMCA > > So, how's that working out for you with non-US third-party mirrors that > aren't subject to American law in any way? For EU country the procedure is similar. (I

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Alex de Kruijff writes: > In my country forcing you way in to a computer system is a criminal act. > It can be compared to breaking in to a house. It is in most countries. However, persons prosecuted for such crimes have mounted successful defenses based on the fact that they were never explicit

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 08:42:29PM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > It's certainly no secret that these posts are archived out there ... > > It doesn't have to be a secret; subscribers must still agree to it. > > It's no secret that software is copyrighted; however,

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 05:13:16PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 01:06:48PM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Giorgos Keramidas writes: > > > > > This is a recurring theme. It's really *NOT* the fault of the > > > postmaster of FreeBSD.org that you posted to public mai

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 02:53:16PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Friday, May 06, 2005 08:48:14 PM +0200 Anthony Atkielski > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>So, if I *respond* to one of his posts (including his email address and > >>at least a portion of what he wrote) and therefore have *so

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Danny Pansters writes: > Which shows how bad cratic souvereign counties are gettingthey're accepting US > corp law as their own. Copyright law is fairly consistent in the industrialized world. > Anyway, stuff your DMCA.. until we have a valid precedent for it I'd say stuff > it. There's already

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On Saturday 07 May 2005 00:49, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Tomas Quintero writes: > > Theres just one more big problem with this, and all the DMCA stuff. > > > > I don't think Fafa is in America. I don't think he'd be a US Citizen > > either. Fafa, can you claim otherwise? I mean all indications in

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Chris writes: > Hahaha - good stuff! Yanno, last I knew (and that was some time ago) You > had to submit writings for review to the copyright folks here in the U.S. It has never been that way. Copyright exists in any work fixed in a tangible medium at the time of its creation. No formalities ar

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Chris wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 12:10:58PM -0700, John Pettitt wrote: >> >> >>>This news just in: >>> >>>Fafa Hafiz Krantz a research designer at Barbershop in Norway ( >>>http://www.home.no/barbershop ) has asked that his posts be removed for >>>all the archive

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Absolutely! Copyright doesn't protect anyone from making a fool out > of themselves. So I see. But that is not the purpose of copyright. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 12:10:58PM -0700, John Pettitt wrote: > >>This news just in: >> >>Fafa Hafiz Krantz a research designer at Barbershop in Norway ( >>http://www.home.no/barbershop ) has asked that his posts be removed for >>all the archives of several public email

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 12:10:58PM -0700, John Pettitt wrote: > This news just in: > > Fafa Hafiz Krantz a research designer at Barbershop in Norway ( > http://www.home.no/barbershop ) has asked that his posts be removed for > all the archives of several public email lists.The request sparked

Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 08:35:38PM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > When you sign up to a mailing list, you implicitly give permission to > distribute your posts to other members of the list. You do _not_ give > permission to have your posts archived, and you do _not_ give permission > to have yo

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Tomas Quintero writes: > Theres just one more big problem with this, and all the DMCA stuff. > > I don't think Fafa is in America. I don't think he'd be a US Citizen > either. Fafa, can you claim otherwise? I mean all indications in his > sig hint towards him being a citizen of another country. I

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Paul Schmehl writes: > Here's a webpage that makes your arguments laughable: > > > It's a mailing list to discuss digital copyright. Its archives are > searchable, and there's no requirement to agree to that when you subscribe. What's so fu

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On 5/6/05, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roland Smith writes: > > > Subscribing to a list means that you give permission for your messages > > to be sent to all subscribers. Any one of those could save the messages, > > creating an archive. So posting to the list implies permissio

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On 5/6/05, Fafa Hafiz Krantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello. > > I have a big problem. My privacy has been violated. > > I had no idea when I first started writing posts to the FreeBSD > mailinglist that it would be archived, let alone indexed by Google > so that the world can spy on my wo

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--On Friday, May 06, 2005 08:48:14 PM +0200 Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, if I *respond* to one of his posts (including his email address and at least a portion of what he wrote) and therefore have *some* of his "copyrighted" material in my post then he can request that *my* po

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Clifton Royston writes: > There are specific safe-harbor provisions for ISPs and > networks which are merely transiting and/or caching traffic. Hmm ... yes, my mistake, provided that nothing is actually stored on the networks in question. > I have to believe you've never actually implemented any

Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

This news just in: Fafa Hafiz Krantz a research designer at Barbershop in Norway ( http://www.home.no/barbershop ) has asked that his posts be removed for all the archives of several public email lists.The request sparked a heated debate over the issue of copyright on email lists and raised in

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 08:49:26PM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Kirk Strauser writes: > > > So, how's that working out for you with non-US third-party mirrors that > > aren't subject to American law in any way? > > The DMCA cannot be used against them directly, but if their traffic > transit

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Al Johnsonn writes: > This advice is more ridiculous than telling him to put aerosol spray back > into a can. Where's the flaw in it? That's what the DMCA is for. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/ma

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Kirk Strauser writes: > So, how's that working out for you with non-US third-party mirrors that > aren't subject to American law in any way? The DMCA cannot be used against them directly, but if their traffic transits through servers or networks in the U.S., you can go after the U.S. providers.

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Paul Schmehl writes: > So, if I *respond* to one of his posts (including his email address and at > least a portion of what he wrote) and therefore have *some* of his > "copyrighted" material in my post then he can request that *my* post be > removed *without* my permission? Not if your backquot

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Roland Smith writes: > Subscribing to a list means that you give permission for your messages > to be sent to all subscribers. Any one of those could save the messages, > creating an archive. So posting to the list implies permission for > archival. It doesn't give permission to make the archive

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