Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Sergey N. Voronkov
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 04:17:06PM -0400, asym wrote: > At 15:19 7/14/2005, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:14:49PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote.. > >> > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:38:15 +0200 > >> > From: Anatoliy Dmytriyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >

Re: FYI - RELENG_6 branch has been created.

2005-07-14 Thread Scott Robbins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:49:01PM -0700, Jon Dama wrote: > BTW, > > Going from RELENG5 to RELENG6 requires an > rm -rf /usr/obj > > This isn't too surprising, but its worth a note if anyone is making a > migration document. > > Thanks, > Jon

Re: FYI - RELENG_6 branch has been created.

2005-07-14 Thread Jon Dama
BTW, Going from RELENG5 to RELENG6 requires an rm -rf /usr/obj This isn't too surprising, but its worth a note if anyone is making a migration document. Thanks, Jon On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Scott Long wrote: > Mike Tancsa wrote: > > At 05:04 PM 11/07/2005, Robert Watson wrote: > > > >> As a

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Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Buelow
Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Jon Dama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> however, journaling fairs no better, and request barriers do nothing to >> solve the problem. > >I had assumed that the sequence of operations in a journal would be >idempotent. Is that a reasonable design criteri

: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Jon Dama
Well, maybe it is in't implemented properly--I can't exactly say--but the blame should not fall on the method of data integrity used by softupdates. Nor do I think softupdates would require per se more flushes. Again, the blame would have to be on whoever is not taking the measures necessary to en

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Jon Dama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > softupdates is perfectly safe with SCSI. > > its well known that ide and sata w/wo ncq fails to provide suitable > semantics for softupdates > > however, journaling fairs no better, and request barriers do nothing to > solve the problem. I had assumed that

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Buelow
Jon Dama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >if the FUA bit in the sata command header is properly respected. >if the flush cache command on an ata device is properly respected. >if the flush cache command on an ata device is implemented (it's optional) >if the flush cache command exists when the ata dev

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Jon Dama
if the FUA bit in the sata command header is properly respected. if the flush cache command on an ata device is properly respected. if the flush cache command on an ata device is implemented (it's optional) if the flush cache command exists when the ata device was made (it isn't in the earlier

Re: Q: Looking for a recommendation for hardware RAID cards and FreeBSD

2005-07-14 Thread Matt Douhan
On Thursday 14 July 2005 22.43, Freddie Cash wrote: > On July 14, 2005 11:33 am, J. Nyhuis wrote: > > I am looking at purchasing a 3ware SATA 8006-2LP RAID (SATA) > > controllers for a servers running FreeBSD 5.4-stable. Is anyone out > > there using a SATA 3ware RAID controller card on FreeBS

Re: Q: Looking for a recommendation for hardware RAID cards and FreeBSD

2005-07-14 Thread Freddie Cash
On July 14, 2005 11:33 am, J. Nyhuis wrote: > I am looking at purchasing a 3ware SATA 8006-2LP RAID (SATA) > controllers for a servers running FreeBSD 5.4-stable. Is anyone out > there using a SATA 3ware RAID controller card on FreeBSD and would be > willing share their experiences, good, ba

Re: gmirror, sparc and SCSI problems

2005-07-14 Thread Emanuel Strobl
Am Montag, 11. Juli 2005 15:49 CEST schrieb Chris Hodgins: > On 7/10/05, Johannes Verwijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 9, 2005, at 19:36, Chris Hodgins wrote: > > > It seems that gmirror does not give us any partitions. A listing of > > > the mirror directory shows only the gm0 node eve

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Buelow
Jon Dama wrote: >Request Barriers under linux exist to prevent the low level kernel block >device layer from reordering write operations from the upper file system >layers. Request Barriers consist of nothing more than tagging internal >queues within the Linux kernel itself. They do nothing to r

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Buelow
David Sze wrote: >> Until a journalled fs that uses write request barriers is available >> for FreeBSD, you better had a reliable UPS. > >How do OS-level request barriers help if the disk reorders pending >writes in its cache? By separating journal updates from the corresponding metadata (and/or

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread asym
At 15:19 7/14/2005, Wilko Bulte wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:14:49PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote.. > > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:38:15 +0200 > > From: Anatoliy Dmytriyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hello, everybody! > > > > I have found unusual and dangerous situ

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Jon Dama
softupdates is perfectly safe with SCSI. its well known that ide and sata w/wo ncq fails to provide suitable semantics for softupdates however, journaling fairs no better, and request barriers do nothing to solve the problem. Request Barriers under linux exist to prevent the low level kernel bl

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread David Sze
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:52:53PM +0200, Matthias Buelow wrote: > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > >The problem is that disks lie about whether they have actually written > >data. If the power goes off before the data is in cache, it's lost. > > No, the problem is that FreeBSD doesn't implement request

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Buelow
Kevin Oberman wrote: >> How can I fix it on my system? > >SCSI or ATA? If it's ATA, turn off write cache with (atacontrol(8) or >the sysctl. You do NOT want to do that. Not only will performance drop brutally (example: drop to 1/5th of normal write speed for sequential writes, probably worse for

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Anatoliy Dmytriyev
Kevin Oberman wrote: SCSI or ATA? If it's ATA, turn off write cache with (atacontrol(8) or the sysctl. The problem is that disks lie about whether they have actually written data. If the power goes off before the data is in cache, it's lost. I am not sure if write-cache can be turned off on SC

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:14:49PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote.. > > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:38:15 +0200 > > From: Anatoliy Dmytriyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hello, everybody! > > > > I have found unusual and dangerous situation with shutdown process: > > I did

Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:38:15 +0200 > From: Anatoliy Dmytriyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello, everybody! > > I have found unusual and dangerous situation with shutdown process: > I did a copy of 200 GB data on the 870 GB partition (softupdates is > enabled) by cp

dangerous situation with shutdown process

2005-07-14 Thread Anatoliy Dmytriyev
Hello, everybody! I have found unusual and dangerous situation with shutdown process: I did a copy of 200 GB data on the 870 GB partition (softupdates is enabled) by cp command. It took a lot of time when I did umount for this partition exactly after cp, but procedure finished correctly. In cas

Q: Looking for a recommendation for hardware RAID cards and FreeBSD

2005-07-14 Thread J. Nyhuis
Greetings, I am looking at purchasing a 3ware SATA 8006-2LP RAID (SATA) controllers for a servers running FreeBSD 5.4-stable. Is anyone out there using a SATA 3ware RAID controller card on FreeBSD and would be willing share their experiences, good, bad, or otherwise? 3ware has done

Re: Today's RELENG_5_4 and 'lock cmpxchgl'

2005-07-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 03:05:20PM +0200, Marc Olzheim wrote: > > You need to obtain the debugging traceback for the panic and include > > it in the PR. > > Added two crash traces, one for the open() variant, one for the close() > variant. > > The -CURRENT traces are very different from these, b

Re: GEOM_STRIPE Problems on Reboot

2005-07-14 Thread Drew Tomlinson
On 7/14/2005 7:57 AM Pertti Kosunen wrote: Drew Tomlinson wrote: So where in the boot sequence is GEOM_STRIPE loaded? I'm starting to suspect it's being loaded twice. I have it in /boot/loader.conf which is where I thought it should be. Is there anywhere else to check? If you have GEO

Re: IBM xSeries 335 and FreeBSD 5 STABLE. SMP problem

2005-07-14 Thread Rong-En Fan
On 7/14/05, Alexander Markov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > I've got IBM xseries 335 with FreeBSD 5.4 installed, which hangs during boot > without panic. If I boot it with hint.apic.0.disabled="1" - everything is ok, > except the fact, that only one CPU is detected (from two ones). I tr

Re: GEOM_STRIPE Problems on Reboot

2005-07-14 Thread Pertti Kosunen
Drew Tomlinson wrote: So where in the boot sequence is GEOM_STRIPE loaded? I'm starting to suspect it's being loaded twice. I have it in /boot/loader.conf which is where I thought it should be. Is there anywhere else to check? If you have GEOM_STRIPE in kernel do you have to load it from

IBM xSeries 335 and FreeBSD 5 STABLE. SMP problem

2005-07-14 Thread Alexander Markov
Hello! I've got IBM xseries 335 with FreeBSD 5.4 installed, which hangs during boot without panic. If I boot it with hint.apic.0.disabled="1" - everything is ok, except the fact, that only one CPU is detected (from two ones). I tried kernels with SMP and without SMP - nothing changed, booting w

Re: [SOLVED] Re: burncd: Device busy error.

2005-07-14 Thread Ronald Klop
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:50:43 +0200, Yann Golanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just in case anyone else has the same problem and wants a solution. 1- Recompile and install your kernel with the following options: device atapicam device ata device scbus device cd device pass 2- Go to you

Re: AMD64 + Nvidia Display Card [nv-driver]

2005-07-14 Thread daniel
> The card is too new to be supported by the nv 2D driver supplied in Xorg. > Any > card supported by the standard Xorg under FreeBSD x86 is also supported > under > FreeBSD x86-64 with the same capabilities. > > Brett Hi, I actually had success using the nv-driver on my 64bit system with X.org f

[SOLVED] Re: burncd: Device busy error.

2005-07-14 Thread Yann Golanski
Just in case anyone else has the same problem and wants a solution. 1- Recompile and install your kernel with the following options: device atapicam device ata device scbus device cd device pass 2- Go to your MP3 dir. 3- Converts spaces to underscores. for i in *.mp3; do mv "$i" `echo

Re: GEOM_STRIPE Problems on Reboot

2005-07-14 Thread Drew Tomlinson
On 7/14/2005 5:30 AM Giovanni P. Tirloni wrote: Drew Tomlinson wrote: GEOM_STRIPE: Device data created (id=896603271). GEOM_STRIPE: Disk da0d attached to data. GEOM_STRIPE: Disk da1d attached to data. GEOM_STRIPE: Device data activated. GEOM_STRIPE: Cannot add disk da0s1d to data (error=17). G

Re: Today's RELENG_5_4 and 'lock cmpxchgl'

2005-07-14 Thread Marc Olzheim
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 02:41:18PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Make sure you recompile any modules when activating INVARIANTS, or > > > you'll get panics. > > > > Of course... make buildkernel and make installkernel do that for me... ;) > > Not if you are using third party port modules. W

Re: GEOM_STRIPE Problems on Reboot

2005-07-14 Thread Giovanni P. Tirloni
Drew Tomlinson wrote: GEOM_STRIPE: Device data created (id=896603271). GEOM_STRIPE: Disk da0d attached to data. GEOM_STRIPE: Disk da1d attached to data. GEOM_STRIPE: Device data activated. GEOM_STRIPE: Cannot add disk da0s1d to data (error=17). GEOM_STRIPE: Cannot add disk da1s1d to data (error=1

Re: burncd: Device busy error.

2005-07-14 Thread Robert Backhaus
On 7/14/05, Yann Golanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to burn to my CD drive and I keep getting the same error, > namely "only wrote -1 of 37632 bytes: Device busy". I've been able to > write to that dive from FreeBSD in the past but now, nada. > # burncd -f /dev/acd0 audio test.wav

burncd: Device busy error.

2005-07-14 Thread Yann Golanski
I am trying to burn to my CD drive and I keep getting the same error, namely "only wrote -1 of 37632 bytes: Device busy". I've been able to write to that dive from FreeBSD in the past but now, nada. The CD drive is definitely not in use. Any idea what is going on?... # dmesg | grep -i cd acd0:

Re: AMD64 + Nvidia Display Card

2005-07-14 Thread Doug Rabson
On 14 Jul 2005, at 11:06, Brett Wildermoth wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 13 July 2005 22:43, Brett Wildermoth wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:26 am, Kenneth Culver wrote: Quoting Br

Re: howto set inet6 routes?

2005-07-14 Thread David Malone
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:07:54AM +0200, Folkert Saathoff wrote: > $ ifconfig rl1 > rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=8 > inet6 3ffe:feed:face:cafe:0:2:2e39:f9 prefixlen 64 > ether 00:02:2e:39:00:f9 > media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) > status: activ

Re: AMD64 + Nvidia Display Card

2005-07-14 Thread Brett Wildermoth
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wednesday 13 July 2005 22:43, Brett Wildermoth wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:26 am, Kenneth Culver wrote: > > > > Quoting Brett Wildermoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >

Re: AMD64 + Nvidia Display Card

2005-07-14 Thread Brett Wildermoth
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:17 pm, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Brett Wildermoth wrote: > >On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:26 am, Kenneth Culver wrote: > >>>Quoting Brett Wildermoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > To all my fellow FreeBSD users, > > >>>

Re: AMD64 + Nvidia Display Card

2005-07-14 Thread Rainer Duffner
Brett Wildermoth wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:26 am, Kenneth Culver wrote: Quoting Brett Wildermoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: To all my fellow FreeBSD users, I assume I am not the only one who is in this predicament. I h

Re: tcp troughput weirdness

2005-07-14 Thread Danny Braniss
> In the last episode (Jul 12), Danny Braniss said: > > [...] > > > You might want to apply the patch at the bottom of > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/75122 ; without it, new > > > connections get a random initial bandwidth. > > > > how far 'bottom' should i go? > > Search

Re: AMD64 + Nvidia Display Card

2005-07-14 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wednesday 13 July 2005 22:43, Brett Wildermoth wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:26 am, Kenneth Culver wrote: > > > Quoting Brett Wildermoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > To all my fellow FreeBSD users, > > > > > > > > I assume I am n

howto set inet6 routes?

2005-07-14 Thread Folkert Saathoff
hello list, i try to setup a small ipv6 test network. however, it seems like i am too dump to setup my routes. when i bring up the interface for the first time, all is well and ping6 works just nicely: $ ifconfig rl1 rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=8 inet6 3ffe:feed:face:cafe:0