Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-25 Thread Christian Masloch
DOSLFN is probably not free enough for Fedora [...] I wasn't talking especially about Linux license compatibility here, sorry. Is the 4DOS license okay for Fedora? I doubt this. Lucho added some ridiculous crap and limitations to it. Not really written for - Japheth just stopped keeping an

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-25 Thread Japheth
Yeah, but ask Japheth whether he wants to keep NoMySo compatibility at all or whether he would use NoMySo once and then develop his software for NASM. I beat the answer is no. This is probably true. But please don't get me wrong: I love Nasm. It's just that once you're used to drive a

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-25 Thread freedos
Please note that Masm is the original, it closely implements the syntax which was suggested by the cpu manufacturer - Intel. The Nasm/Fasm/Yasm/Rosasm variants implement something which probably works as well, and one can't prevent them from calling their syntax assembly because this

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-25 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Christian, Is the 4DOS license okay for Fedora? I doubt this. Lucho added some ridiculous crap and limitations to it. Strong words, do you have examples of changes in 4DOS that are unpleasant for you / others? Yeah, but ask Japheth whether he wants to keep NoMySo compatibility at all

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-25 Thread Christian Masloch
Is the 4DOS license okay for Fedora? I doubt this. Lucho added some ridiculous crap and limitations to it. Strong words, do you have examples of changes in 4DOS that are unpleasant for you / others? I'm talking about the license here. Just read what he writes about it on the main 4DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-25 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Christian, strange that Lucho would make 4DOS unavailable to non-Chinese?? I do not think the 4DOS license would let him do that... I agree that JWASM is not bad. On the other hand, even the OpenWatcom compiler does not seem to be open enough for the taste of Fedora, and JWASM is based on

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-24 Thread Blair Campbell
That does indeed sound a bit exotic. Note that userland of FreeDOS contains quite a few DJGPP (GNU C for DOS) based apps. DJGPP can also be compiled as a cross-compiler, so DJGPP apps could even be compiled in native linux. Another option is to pass commands to a dos-based compiler through

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-24 Thread Japheth
More importantly, it means a developer cannot download the source code, make changes to suit his/her needs, and SHARE those changes with others. I did exactly this with JWasm. I also read the Sybase license. I found parts of it unclear, apparently contradictory, may be even nonsense. I'm

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-24 Thread Bart Oldeman
2009/3/24 Japheth m...@japheth.de: I'm not a lawyer. But I used my brain and asked myself the following questions: 1. What is Open Watcom, is it a part of Sybase? 2. If OW is NOT a part of Sybase, is it a - juristic - person which probably could have a - disclosed - contract with Sybase

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-24 Thread Christian Masloch
The FreeDOS Spec says: Our reference C compiler is OpenWatcom C. (Borland C 3.1 was originally chosen as the reference standard because this is the compiler used to build the FreeDOS kernel. However, it is preferable to use entirely free tools to create FreeDOS.) [...] This does not mean

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-24 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Christian, Assembling anything on NASM is a nice goal (for me, anyway) but isn't yet achieved and probably won't ever be. For example, DOSLFN requires TASM DOSLFN is probably not free enough for Fedora as LFN are patented?? IDEAL mode and the assembly source files of much advertised

[Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-23 Thread solarflow99
Hi, I'm currently trying to create a dosemu RPM package for Fedora. One problem seems to be with including a binary freedos image, does anyone know if compilation from linux is even possible, or with a free compiler? Here is the issue: --- Comment #49 from Lubomir Rintel lkundrak

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-23 Thread lyricalnanoha
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, solarflow99 wrote: Hi, I'm currently trying to create a dosemu RPM package for Fedora. One problem seems to be with including a binary freedos image, does anyone know if compilation from linux is even possible, or with a free compiler? Here is the issue: ---

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-23 Thread Tom Ehlert
How open-source is OpenWatcom? unable or just too lazy to use google.com ? Tom -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities.

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! I hope you can forward the details :-) Hi, I'm currently trying to create a dosemu RPM package for Fedora. Thanks! problem seems to be with including a binary freedos image, does anyone know if compilation from linux is even possible, or with a free compiler? Here is the issue:

Re: [Freedos-devel] building freedos

2009-03-23 Thread Blair Campbell
The problem for the Fedora Project is that the license used by OpenWatcom is not Free according to FSF. That means Fedora cannot use OpenWatcom, so the OP is asking for alternatives that might meet the FSF's standard. Some distributions have a non-free category. Does Fedora not have one?